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Talking Politics

When Leigh Sales interviewed Morrison last week, she failed the ask the hard questions re internal Liberal bullying, Towke and the Prayer Room. Leigh Sales was called out over it in the Twitterverse and quits Twitter.

On Sales, apparently billionaires should be taxed less because they might donate less to charity if taxed more, never mind the fact that charitable donations are tax deductible:

 
This is my take on the current situation in reagards to the election.

As a Labour supporter I have been a bit down this week. Morrison is clearly a better campaigner than Albanbese and I was starting to think "oh no, please don't let this "smile" do it again". But I have come up with an alternative narrative that gives me some hope that we will still get a change of Government despite the ALP's inability to put forward a candidate that can compete sucessfully with Morrison in campaign mode.

Election campaigns have historically been quite important in Auatralia because if a party leader stuffs up then that can be enough to tip the balance against them. A lot of Australian are either rusted on supporters of one party or pretty disengaged with politics in general and only pay attention during the campaign period. This is why the election campaigns carry more weight than they really should. These swinging voters/the undecided are not sophisticated in regards to politics and therefore will change their vote based on superficial events, one sentence simplistic slogans and scare campaigns in the weeks leading up to the election.

This disengagement is understandable in Australia for the last 50 years because nothing much really happens to shake people out of their political apathy. This has not been the case in the last three years. We have had the bushfires (climate change), Covid, war in Europe and the floods. I believe most Australians have been seriously engaged in all these issue due to the fact that they have materially affected people's lives. On top of that we now have inflation for the first time in decades which is the only economic indicator that affects everybody.

So most Australians have been far more engaged with politics since December 2019. Consequently I belive that they have already made up their mind on how they will vote and nothing that happens in the election campaign will make any difference. It will still run as per normal and the media will still treat it as important, but I reckon they are all just going through the motions.

Perhaps this is just wishful thinking. But if the election campaign continues on its current trajectory-that is Labour being smashed-but Labour still mange to form a majority Government, then i think I may be right.
 
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As a result of the big twitter war between joe public and Australian political journalists which kicked off at the start of the election, there seems to be a bit of a shift now. Morrison being pushed to answer question (he doesn't, but he's called on it), being asked about broken promises and how he can be trusted. Now whether his performances leads the MSM news bulletins and mastheads is another thing, but I suspect it will get a bit harder for ScoMo.
 
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This is my take on the current situation in regards to the election.

As a Labour supporter I have been a bit down this week. Morrison is clearly a better campaigner than Albanbese and I was starting to think "oh no, please don't let this "smile" do it again". But I have come up with an alternative narrative that gives me some hope that we will still get a change of Government despite the ALP's inability to put forward a candidate that can compete successfully with Morrison in campaign mode.

Election campaigns have historically been quite important in Auatralia because if a party leader stuffs up then that can be enough to tip the balance against them. A lot of Australian are either rusted on supporters of one party or pretty disengaged with politics in general and only pay attention during the campaign period. This is why the election campaigns carry more weight than they really should. These swinging voters/the undecided are not sophisticated in regards to politics and therefore will change their vote based on superficial events, one sentence simplistic slogans and scare campaigns in the weeks leading up to the election.

This disengagement is understandable in Australia for the last 50 years because nothing much really happens to shake people out of their political apathy. This has not been the case in the last three years. We have had the bushfires (climate change), Covid, war in Europe and the floods. I believe most Australians have been seriously engaged in all these issue due to the fact that they have materially affected people's lives. On top of that we now have inflation for the first time in decades which is the only economic indicator that affects everybody.

So most Australians have been far more engaged with politics since December 2019. Consequently I believe that they have already made up their mind on how they will vote and nothing that happens in the election campaign will make any difference. It will still run as per normal and the media will still treat it as important, but I reckon they are all just going through the motions.

Perhaps this is just wishful thinking. But if the election campaign continues on its current trajectory-that is Labour being smashed-but Labour still mange to form a majority Government, then i think I may be right.

I hope you are right as this government is woeful.

A fair number of commentators have been pushing the line that the opposition need to put up some sort of agenda in order to be elected. Apart from the fact this flies in the face of a complete absence of an agenda from the incumbents, it goes against that old saying in politics - oppositions don't get voted in, governments get voted out. I hope that old saying proves correct.

The wall to wall coverage of the stuff up by Albanese is astounding. The media are clearly, and very obviously, on one side in this election. The ABC is affected too as they would look biased in comparison just by being neutral. It was a small stuff up, in fact Adam Bandt's response was very incisive, it exposed that these are not genuine questions, just a bit of puerile clickbait entertainment.

The massive spending by Palmer and his cronies could also have an impact, although I am still trying to work out how they are going to pivot to favouring the LNP as opposed to their strategy so far of a pox on both houses. Watch where they direct preferences and you will see where their allegiances lie.

Hopefully the independents will have an impact too, very much hoping that our local member will be out of a job soon, extremists from the IPA are not my favoured local member.

As someone not on social media I do wonder how much impact will come from there. It seems most people set up their social media to be an echo chamber of their own views so presumably it would be hard to shift votes on social media.

I will also wait for ScoMo to stuff up, it will happen, everyone stuffs up. Then we will see the contrast with how the right wing media deal with this.

DS
 
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Not sure if it's been posted but the ABC Vote Compass makes for some interesting reading.


Thankfully I'm not most aligned to the UAP
 
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I will also wait for ScoMo to stuff up, it will happen, everyone stuffs up. Then we will see the contrast with how the right wing media deal with this.
He has been stuffing up since he got the job.

Hve to agree with this though. I'm pretty disappointed with Abanese's start to the campaign. Looks a bit low on confidence.

 
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David, the thing is that Scomo stuffs up all the time but the media cycle generally just moves on the following day. I don't understand how we're not still to this day talking about who knew what about a rape at parliament, there are very credible allegations that several of the cabinet members knew about it at the time and engaged in a cover up.

Yet as you point out regarding Albo, we often hear these talking heads in the media telling us how "Albo's gaffe has dominated the media week" yet it's actually them who are perpetuating it.
 
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Not sure if it's been posted but the ABC Vote Compass makes for some interesting reading.


Thankfully I'm not most aligned to the UAP


“George Christensen to join One Nation after getting ‘unhinged conspiracy nut’ on ABC Vote Compass”

 
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David, the thing is that Scomo stuffs up all the time but the media cycle generally just moves on the following day. I don't understand how we're not still to this day talking about who knew what about a rape at parliament, there are very credible allegations that several of the cabinet members knew about it at the time and engaged in a cover up.

Yet as you point out regarding Albo, we often hear these talking heads in the media telling us how "Albo's gaffe has dominated the media week" yet it's actually them who are perpetuating it.

Astounding isn't it? "The media has been dominated by Albo's gaffe". Um, you do realise you are the media and you are the ones setting the agenda.

DS
 
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Every time Abbott opened his mouth he said Gillard lied by bringing in a Carbon Tax.

Albo and Labor should be doing the same thing.

On every possible occasion they should be saying Morrison lied when he said at the last election that the Libs would bring in an ICAC, Morrison doesn't hold a hose, Morrison went to Hawaii while Australia was burning, the sports rorts, the floods, Christian Porters legal fees, backgrounding Brittany Higgins boyfriend to shut her up after she had allegedly been raped. Morrison lied and denied that he tried to get his dodgy church mate into the White House....................................

Harden up Albo, and go for the jugular.
 
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Not sure if it's been posted but the ABC Vote Compass makes for some interesting reading.


Thankfully I'm not most aligned to the UAP
I found it very interesting. I’m closer to being ALP than Liberal on the graph.
 
Every time Abbott opened his mouth he said Gillard lied by bringing in a Carbon Tax.

Albo and Labor should be doing the same thing.

On every possible occasion they should be saying Morrison lied when he said at the last election that the Libs would bring in an ICAC, Morrison doesn't hold a hose, Morrison went to Hawaii while Australia was burning, the sports rorts, the floods, Christian Porters legal fees, backgrounding Brittany Higgins boyfriend to shut her up after she had allegedly been raped. Morrison lied and denied that he tried to get his dodgy church mate into the White House....................................

Harden up Albo, and go for the jugular.
ICAC is where Albo needs to go. It’s a great policy they will implement. Best way to cut Government waste and corruption. Make it a cornerstone of his election campaign. That way he should get a clear majority at the election.
 
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Katherine Deves is horrible, Bridie Nolan worse. The two of them are a pit of snakes.


very much in the peta credlin/michaela cash mould.

if youve ever wondered if women can be misogynists, as I have,

look no further than the LNP party room.
 
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Albo ICAC response. Really, his brilliant line should have been at the start of his response, rather than at the end.

"the reason why this Prime Minister doesn't want an anti-corruption commission is sitting on his front bench"


I dont want to get too nostalgic,

but imagine how Keating would dine out on an entirely corrupt LNP,

and its broken ICAC promise?

I can hear him now, and it makes me LOL
 
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Morrison's stuff ups and lies are so common they are barely news now unfortunately.
Because the news agencies don't let them become news.

Juliar got a lot of traction, reporting, lead stories because it was in Murdoch's interest. There's a groundswell for a media Royal Commission if the ALP get in. The media giants do not want that.

People just need to listen to the types of questions and followups the 2 candidates get, objectively, to see how the 2 are treated completely differently.
 
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SloMo's Liberal Party donating $2m to the Good Friday Appeal. Another hope for more votes?
 
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