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Last night would be the last time you hear ScoMo claim the ALP are on China's side. When he tried that last night it fell really flat and the commentators there saying there were some groans from the audience.
This issue really highlights the difference in integrity between the 2 parties. The Coalition are willing to start and engage in a 'who hates China the most' competition. Its a diplomatic/ foreign policy disaster, but they don't care, they will try any dirty trick to stay in power

Labor won't engage, if they did, they would easily destroy them with the Darwin Port sale and Stuart Robert's corrupt shennanigans, amongst others.
 
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This issue really highlights the difference in integrity between the 2 parties. The Coalition are willing to start and engage in a 'who hates China the most' competition. Its a diplomatic/ foreign policy disaster, but they don't care, they will try any dirty trick to stay in power

Labor won't engage, if they did, they would easily destroy them with the Darwin Port sale and Stuart Robert's corrupt shennanigans, amongst others.
Interestingly latest polling shows that this tactic may well cost the LNP seats, especially Gladys Lui's seat of Chisolm which takes in Box Hill and is more than 20% chinese. They don't like it as they feel attacked !
 
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Ann Rustons nickname is Nurse Ratched

- she being the cold hearted tyrant from One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest
 
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Morrison is twisting the order of when things happened in the dispute with China.

In a press conference Morrison said Labor blamed Australia (Liberal Party) and not China for the sanctions that China have put on Australian exports.

Morrison then went onto say that when the Liberal party called for an investigation into the origins of COVID that labor supported China and not Australia.

Just blatant lies from Morrison.

The sanctions from China started after Morrison big-noted himself to the world by being the first to call for an investigation into China and the origins of COVID.

If Australia was part of a coalition of countries calling for an inquiry, the sanctions may not have been as severe. How much has Morrison the big-noter cost farmers and businesses in Australia?

The timeline for the sanctions from China.



"April, 2020 – Prime Minister Scott Morrison endorses an independent investigation into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, enraging the Chinese authorities. A series of new bilateral lows follows.

May, 2020 – China imposes an 80.5% tariff on Australian barley exports.

May, 2020 – Ships carrying Australian coal exports start encountering processing difficulties at Chinese ports. Fast-forward to November, 2020, and some 66 ships carrying Australian coal are docked off Chinese ports and awaiting processing. Such regulatory hurdles seem only to apply to Australian coal imports, and are presumably meant as a non-tariff trade barrier. Australia exported some $13.8 billion worth of coal to China in 2019.

June 9, 2020 – China’s Ministry of Education warns that Chinese students might face ‘racist incidents’ due to COVID-19 should they choose to study in Australia. The warning comes days after a similar alert was issued by the Chinese Ministry of Culture and Tourism advising against travel to Australia.

July 25, 2020 – Australia formally rejects the legal basis of China’s South China Sea claims in a declaration to the United Nations. The declaration makes explicit reference to the 2016 ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration ruled against the validity of China’s ‘nine-dash line’ ownership claims.

October 15, 2020 – Reports emerge that mills in China have been told to stop buying Australian cotton. China normally buys around 65% of Australian cotton, an export trade worth $800 million a year.

November 2, 2020 – Chinese companies scale back their purchases of a variety of Australian exports, reportedly upon receiving verbal instructions from the authorities. The list of targeted commodities includes coal, barley, copper, sugar, timber, wine, and lobster.

November 17, 2020 – Australia and Japan agree to a defense pact that paves the way for inter-operability and cooperation in the South China Sea (the joint statement cites ‘deep concerns’ over the SCS). Both countries belong to the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, along with India and the United States – a non-binding security grouping that has been strengthening its bonds throughout 2020. The agreement marks the first defense agreement signed by Japan since its 1960 treaty with the United States.

November 18, 2020 – A list of ’14 grievances’ is delivered by the Chinese embassy in Canberra, highlighting the various policy positions that Australia needs to change to ensure a more harmonious relationship. The list includes: 1) ceasing funding to ‘anti-China’ research conducted by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (a leading voice on CCP ‘sharp power’ methods); 2) ceasing raids on Chinese journalists and academic visa cancellations (likely in reference to the cases of Chen Hong and Li Jianjun); 3) ceasing support of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Xinjiang-related issues in multilateral forums; 4) retracting calls for an independent inquiry into the origins of COVID-19; 5) reversing the decision to ban Huawei’s participation in Australia’s 5G network; 6) reversing the decision to block various Chinese foreign investment deals in the infrastructure and agriculture sectors, among others.

November 28, 2020 – China announces temporary tariffs on Australian wine exports, citing violation of anti-dumping rules. The tariffs range from 107-212%, and they follow an anti-dumping probe that was initiated earlier in the year. In response, the Morrison government indicates a willingness to take the case to the World Trade Organization (WTO).

November 30, 2020 – Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao tweets a doctored image of an Australian soldier cutting the throat of an Afghan child, apparently in reference to the recently-released Brereton report alleging war crimes by Australian Special Forces in Afghanistan. The tweet ignites a full-fledged diplomatic row, with Prime Minister Morrison demanding an apology and the Chinese side refusing to oblige. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand – another country with strong economic ties to China – joins Australia in condemning the tweet.

December, 2020 – With relations going from bad to worse, analysts begin to speculate that China could target Australian iron ore exports with tariffs. This would come as a major blow to Australian industry, as iron ore accounts for over half of Australian exports to China (and China now accounts for 39% of Australia’s total exports, 7% of its GDP). Iron ore wouldn’t be such an easy target though, given its status as a key input in China’s heavy industries – which explains why the commodity has yet to be singled out for punitive measures. Fast-forward to May 2021 and the bilateral trade is still booming with iron trading at decades-long highs.

December 1, 2020 – An editorial in the English-language, state-owned Global Times warns of ‘bitter pills’ to be swallowed if Australian warships come close to Chinese territorial waters – an allusion to Australia’s possible participation in Freedom of Navigation Operations in the South China Sea.

December 21, 2020 – The World Trade Organization (WTO) announces that Australia has lodged an official complaint over China’s tariffs on its barley exports.

March 28, 2021 – China imposes official anti-dumping tariffs on Australian wine, scaling up the temporary tariffs instituted in November 2020. Between December 2020 to April 2021, Australian wine exports to China dropped to just $12 million, down from $325 million the previous year.

April 22, 2021 – Australia foreign minister Marise Payne announces that the federal government will unilaterally cancel two Belt and Road deals agreed to by the government of Victoria state in 2018 and 2019. Both deals were broad memoranda of understanding and were legally non-binding. For more details, see Belt and Road Suffers Setbacks in Italy, Australia.

May 2, 2021 – A government source reveals to Reuters that Australia is reviewing a controversial 99-year lease for the port of Darwin, which was awarded to China’s Landbridge Group in 2015 (with sign-off from the Australian defense establishment at the time). For more details, see the Global Forecast for the week in question.

May 6, 2021 – China’s National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) announces that it is suspending its participation in the China-Australia Strategic Economic Dialogue indefinitely. The annual platform, first founded in 2014, was instrumental in negotiating the 2015 China-Australia Free Trade Agreement (ChAFTA). However, as high-level talks have not been held since 2017, this was mostly a symbolic gesture on the part of Beijing.

May, 2021 – An unofficial ban of Australian coal remains in effect through the early months of 2021, with official Chinese customs data showing no imports since December. This has resulted in higher costs for China, which is the biggest importer and consumer of coal in the world. Chinese importers are being forced to turn toward US-sourced coal, which is up to 34% more expensive than Australian supply.

June, 2021 – Australian iron ore exports to China hit record levels, underscoring China’s enduring reliance on Australia for the key industrial input. Iron ore accounts for 80% of Australia’s total exports to China over the month.

June, 2021 – Beijing begins to enforce steel production controls meant to reduce pollution and overproduction in the domestic sector, impacting the profitability of Australia’s primary export. On June 15, iron ore (TIOC) was trading at $214/ton. Fast-forward to September 1 and the price had dropped to $142/t. Steel prices take off over the same period.

August 11, 2021 – Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull remarks that Beijing’s campaign to “make [Australia] more compliant” has “completely backfired” in a roundtable organized by La Trobe University.

September 15, 2021 – A new trilateral security partnership is announced by the United States, United Kingdom, and Australia, dubbed “AUKUS.” The deal seeks to foster defense technology cooperation and interoperability between the three parties, and authorizes the transfer of nuclear submarine propulsion technology to Australia. Though China is not directly named in the text, it’s clear that AUKUS is meant to bring Australia onboard to the US-led Indo-Pacific security umbrella and bolster its military capabilities vis-à-vis the PLA Navy. For additional details, see the Situation Report from the week in question.

September 17, 2021 – Australia insists that China drops its sanctions and reopens ministerial-level trade talks as a prerequisite for commencing talks to joint the Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) trade deal.

September 30, 2021 – Australia and India announce that the two sides will seek to implement a free trade deal by the end of 2022, in a development widely perceived as an attempt by Canberra to diversify its trading markets away from China.

December 8, 2021 – Australia joins the United States in imposing a diplomatic boycott of the Olympic Games in Beijing, 2022."

 
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Albo has covid. I think that can work to ALP's favour. Bring Chalmers, Wong etc to the fore and get them to front the campaigning. They are good strong performers and will shift the campaign away from the US style presidential one we have now
 
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DudMo gaffes again about disabled children. What a train wreck govt we're heading to.
I'm no fan of Scomo but find me a parent who isn't relieved when they discover their children don't have to live a life with a disability. That is not denigrating those with disabilities but just a statement that the path tread by those with disabilities is a much harder one than those without. I think he probably could have chosen better words, but most parents understand what he was trying to say.
 
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I'm no fan of Scomo but find me a parent who isn't relieved when they discover their children don't have to live a life with a disability. That is not denigrating those with disabilities but just a statement that the path tread by those with disabilities is a much harder one than those without. I think he probably could have chosen better words, but most parents understand what he was trying to say.

The trouble is that it is denigrating those with a disability.

I may not have a child with a disability but I have a parent with a disability. My father hid this all his life and continues to hide his disability to this day. I don't want us to return to the days when those with a disability feel the need to hide it. That is what ScoMo's attitude leads to. I totally understand what ScoMo was saying, but what it exposes is the underlying attitudes he holds.

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The trouble is that it is denigrating those with a disability.

I may not have a child with a disability but I have a parent with a disability. My father hid this all his life and continues to hide his disability to this day. I don't want us to return to the days when those with a disability feel the need to hide it. That is what ScoMo's attitude leads to. I totally understand what ScoMo was saying, but what it exposes is the underlying attitudes he holds.

DS
Yep. Simply no need to be said.
 
I'm no fan of Scomo but find me a parent who isn't relieved when they discover their children don't have to live a life with a disability. That is not denigrating those with disabilities but just a statement that the path tread by those with disabilities is a much harder one than those without. I think he probably could have chosen better words, but most parents understand what he was trying to say.
Why blessed? Does he think god rewards good people and punishes bad?
the man is an arrogant fool who offended many many people, while at the same time betraying his true attitude to people with a disability. (which is reflected in what this current government is doing to the NDIS.)
 
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What SCOMO said to that parent is just part of a theme with him. It’s basically showing pity or sympathy but what people want is leadership, they want him to do something they don’t want his pity.
This is what he does, it’s similar to the “thoughts and prayers” we get from politicians these days.
He doesn’t get it, we need and want leadership from a PM not *smile* thoughts and prayers and sympathy.
In all this one thing was missed from the exchange and that’s that he didn’t actually answer her question which was asking him to do something. SCOMO is an expert on not doing anything.
 
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The fact that they are bringing back the “stop the boats” angle… something that hasn’t been an issue for many many years, tells us the liberals have nothing. Probably a deflection form the Solomon islands fiasco
Poms, Euro's for the last few years n now even the Septics are having massive problems with *smile* loads of randoms wandering across the borders every time someone blinks. Guarantee that there'd be a massive charge into Aust if they thought they were half a chance of getting in for free n no way of proving who's who.
 
Morrison was trying to avoid the question from the lady with the child who has Autism. She hit a nerve, the Libs have got form when it comes to cutting funding to the NDIS.

Families in crisis after NDIS funding cuts to participants with autism and intellectual disabilities​

By state political reporter Bridget Rollason
Posted Fri 11 Feb 2022 at 3:13amFriday 11 Feb 2022 at 3:13am, updated Fri 11 Feb 2022 at 6:29am

 
Poms, Euro's for the last few years n now even the Septics are having massive problems with *smile* loads of randoms wandering across the borders every time someone blinks. Guarantee that there'd be a massive charge into Aust if they thought they were half a chance of getting in for free n no way of proving who's who.
They aren’t randoms TM, they are human beings
 
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Morrison was trying to avoid the question from the lady with the child who has Autism. She hit a nerve, the Libs have got form when it comes to cutting funding to the NDIS.

Families in crisis after NDIS funding cuts to participants with autism and intellectual disabilities​

By state political reporter Bridget Rollason
Posted Fri 11 Feb 2022 at 3:13amFriday 11 Feb 2022 at 3:13am, updated Fri 11 Feb 2022 at 6:29am

My nephew has autism and my sister's not happy with what they're doing with NDIS.
 
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What SCOMO said to that parent is just part of a theme with him. It’s basically showing pity or sympathy but what people want is leadership, they want him to do something they don’t want his pity.
This is what he does, it’s similar to the “thoughts and prayers” we get from politicians these days.
He doesn’t get it, we need and want leadership from a PM not *smile* thoughts and prayers and sympathy.
In all this one thing was missed from the exchange and that’s that he didn’t actually answer her question which was asking him to do something. SCOMO is an expert on not doing anything.

But, as we saw during the floods, he doesn't agree that government should come to the aid of people. Support should be privatised like everything else.

DS
 
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