Talking Politics

[Sintiger]

WTF seriously! Randoms = random people = you guessed it human beings. Perhaps you need to wander outside n go to your area shopping centre or the footy. Guarantee you'll find *smile* loads of randoms shuffling around.



P.S. While you're busy getting all antsy n offended about all these poor human beings, you may be surprised to realise that there's not much that's special about human beings beyond our belief in our own overweening superiority to every thing else. If you pay close attention you might find that humans are the most vicious, destructive, manipulative n down right nasty *smile* critters on the planet.

This is what you said

Poms, Euro's for the last few years n now even the Septics are having massive problems with *smile* loads of randoms wandering across the borders every time someone blinks.

There are over 60 million stateless and displaced people in this world. Most of them have a story to tell of persecution, violence and war. The vast majority are just seeking safety and peace.

Your flippancy minimises them as humans in need, it dehumanises them and I will call that sort of thing out. You can disagree but I will still do it.

 

[IanG]

Excellent post. The university’s need to start opening up more places, and stop being part of the problem. With less overseas students now is the perfect time to pivot and get more medical professionals trained.

I work for an educational institution that offers Nursing degrees. We want to offer more places, the number of places is limited by the government.

 

[DavidSSS]

This is what you said

Poms, Euro's for the last few years n now even the Septics are having massive problems with *smile* loads of randoms wandering across the borders every time someone blinks.

There are over 60 million stateless and displaced people in this world. Most of them have a story to tell of persecution, violence and war. The vast majority are just seeking safety and peace.

Your flippancy minimises them as humans in need, it dehumanises them and I will call that sort of thing out. You can disagree but I will still do it.

Absolutely, and this is why we have a refugee convention and Australia not only signed up to this, Australia helped write it. What we are doing on refugees goes against agreements we signed up to. Disgusting behaviour.

The number of refugees will only increase as global warming impacts on more countries, especially poor countries. Add to this the terrible situations in Iraq and Afghanistan which we directly contributed to, not to mention the situations such as Ukraine, Syria etc and there are a lot of refugees seeking asylum so they can live a normal life and avoid being persecuted.

We don't let them in, and at the same time whinge about labour shortages. Makes you wonder why refugees are so vehemently denied entry, international students are chucked out ASAP once they finish their courses, but if a UK citizen overstays their visa it is all fine. Maybe it depends where you come from?

DS

 

[Baloo]

 

[TigerMasochist]

This is what you said

Poms, Euro's for the last few years n now even the Septics are having massive problems with *smile* loads of randoms wandering across the borders every time someone blinks.

There are over 60 million stateless and displaced people in this world. Most of them have a story to tell of persecution, violence and war. The vast majority are just seeking safety and peace.

Your flippancy minimises them as humans in need, it dehumanises them and I will call that sort of thing out. You can disagree but I will still do it.

Most of those 60 million have been shafted by their own people n leaders right now, ten years, fifty years, hundreds of years ago. Nothing changes, it's simply a core theme of " humanity ". Maybe de humanizing them is doing them a favour, as I said in my reply. There's nothing special about humans, nastiest *smile* on the planet by a long way, always have been n always will be.

 

[Sintiger]

Most of those 60 million have been shafted by their own people n leaders right now, ten years, fifty years, hundreds of years ago. Nothing changes, it's simply a core theme of " humanity ". Maybe de humanizing them is doing them a favour, as I said in my reply. There's nothing special about humans, nastiest *smile* on the planet by a long way, always have been n always will be.

Sure dehumanising human tragedy is doing them a favour.
Doesn’t matter who shafted them, being shafted by your own people and governments just makes it more tragic.
The point is the moment you stop thinking of them as individual humans, no different to any of us in so many ways, that is the moment you dehumanise the tragedy of displaced people and refugees

 

[spook]

The callous, wilful ignorance is breathtaking.

People are *smile*. Nothing special in the scheme of things. Nastiest things on the planet, never met a good one. Especially the children, those things are horrible. So it's ok to perpetuate suffering. Hell, we should do the poor unfortunates a favour *n* treat them with the mercy we do other homeless animals. I'm not saying shove em in a bag *n* chuck em in a river necessarily (although in a pinch...). We could just shoot em. Quick *n* painless, straight through the temple. "Hello! Fleeing murder, war, pestilence *n* persecution? Right this way." *BANG!*

"What has he won, Bob?"
"Well, Jim, as Dehumaniser of the Week, TM has won this compendium of Status Quo's greatest hits. Titled 'I'm Alright, Jack', this timeless collection features old favourites such as 'The Poor Will Always Be With Us', 'What Are You Gonna Do?', *n* 'Get Off My Lawn', together with more recent hits 'F*ck Off, We're Full', *n* 'I'm Not Racist, But...'"
"Soundtrack to a lifetime. Hours of rationalisation, justification and good old-fashioned indifference for the whole family to enjoy."

 

[TigerMasochist]

The callous, wilful ignorance is breathtaking.

People are *smile*. Nothing special in the scheme of things. Nastiest things on the planet, never met a good one. Especially the children, those things are horrible. So it's ok to perpetuate suffering. Hell, we should do the poor unfortunates a favour *n* treat them with the mercy we do other homeless animals. I'm not saying shove em in a bag *n* chuck em in a river necessarily (although in a pinch...). We could just shoot em. Quick *n* painless, straight through the temple. "Hello! Fleeing murder, war, pestilence *n* persecution? Right this way." *BANG!*

"What has he won, Bob?"
"Well, Jim, as Dehumaniser of the Week, TM has won this compendium of Status Quo's greatest hits. Titled 'I'm Alright, Jack', this timeless collection features old favourites such as 'The Poor Will Always Be With Us', 'What Are You Gonna Do?', *n* 'Get Off My Lawn', together with more recent hits 'F*ck Off, We're Full', *n* 'I'm Not Racist, But...'"
"Soundtrack to a lifetime. Hours of rationalisation, justification and good old-fashioned indifference for the whole family to enjoy."

Ya forgot a couple Kumbaya n Cry me a river.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Worth a watch from 3 years ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1162972336837935104

 

[IanG]

Great piece on the way the media set the agenda during the election and then try to absolve themselves of responsibility:

Election Coverage in the Passive Voice

Let’s start with something positive, to remind ourselves that a better world of political reporting is possible. On Monday evening, the first Monday of the election, Laura Tingle took to the airwav…

meanjin.com.au

 

[artball]

the idiot Potato Duttons idea of Anzac Day memorial chit chat .... remember this is the guy, beyond everything else, whose co-workers left a can of dog food on his desk when he left the police force...

"The only way you can preserve peace is to prepare for war and be strong as a country, not to cower, not to be on, you know, bended knee and be weak. That’s the reality.
Curling up in a ball, pretending nothing is happening, saying nothing, that is not … in our long-term interests and we should be very honest about that.
We have to be realistic that people like Hitler and others aren’t just a figment of our imagination ...."

woah fella...

 

[DavidSSS]

the idiot Potato Duttons idea of Anzac Day memorial chit chat .... remember this is the guy, beyond everything else, whose co-workers left a can of dog food on his desk when he left the police force...

"The only way you can preserve peace is to prepare for war and be strong as a country, not to cower, not to be on, you know, bended knee and be weak. That’s the reality.
Curling up in a ball, pretending nothing is happening, saying nothing, that is not … in our long-term interests and we should be very honest about that.
We have to be realistic that people like Hitler and others aren’t just a figment of our imagination ...."

woah fella...

Nice words potato head, but why did they drop the ball on the Solomons, why are we going to have 40 year old subs by the time we get replacements?

He talks tough but goes MIA when it matters, just like his boss.

DS

 

[Brodders17]

the idiot Potato Duttons idea of Anzac Day memorial chit chat .... remember this is the guy, beyond everything else, whose co-workers left a can of dog food on his desk when he left the police force...

"The only way you can preserve peace is to prepare for war and be strong as a country, not to cower, not to be on, you know, bended knee and be weak. That’s the reality.
Curling up in a ball, pretending nothing is happening, saying nothing, that is not … in our long-term interests and we should be very honest about that.
We have to be realistic that people like Hitler and others aren’t just a figment of our imagination ...."

woah fella...

just more meaningless words from this inept government that hopes enough voters are dumb enough to believe them.

 

[TigerForce]

just more meaningless words from this inept government that hopes enough voters are dumb enough to believe them.

Which one? No new taxes?

 

[DavidSSS]

Which one? No new taxes?

Which translates to cuts to services.

DS

 

[tigerman]

the idiot Potato Duttons idea of Anzac Day memorial chit chat .... remember this is the guy, beyond everything else, whose co-workers left a can of dog food on his desk when he left the police force...

"The only way you can preserve peace is to prepare for war and be strong as a country, not to cower, not to be on, you know, bended knee and be weak. That’s the reality.
Curling up in a ball, pretending nothing is happening, saying nothing, that is not … in our long-term interests and we should be very honest about that.
We have to be realistic that people like Hitler and others aren’t just a figment of our imagination ...."

woah fella...

I reckon he ate the dog food, he's been barking up the wrong tree ever since. A can of cat food would've been more appropriate.

 

[Born_a_Tiger78]

Yes David and both parties have to think about how they deal with these inconvenient truths about our “mixed model” healthcare system.
The fact is that private health cover and Medicare has become partly just a safety net and part of the issue is the uncontrolled charging of doctors. Some of them are making obscene amounts of money propped up by an cartel like specialist college system together with universities controlling specialist numbers so demand exceeds supply.
On top of this we have a move of corporate raiders into our private hospital market which won’t help pricing in the private space. KKR’s bid for Ramsay Health being the latest
These dynamics are going to our even more pressure on our public system as people abandon private health insurance, which is already happening

I'm not a big fan of private health insurance.

The government should fund the system appropriately without giving health insurance companies the opportunity to artificially increase premiums and fees for preferred 'suppliers', by way of the tax offset.

I'd accept paying more tax for that.

 

[Sintiger]

I'm not a big fan of private health insurance.

The government should fund the system appropriately without giving health insurance companies the opportunity to artificially increase premiums and fees for preferred 'suppliers', by way of the tax offset.

I'd accept paying more tax for that.

I like the sentiment and agree with it but the reality is that if the private health insurance rebate was taken away the number of people that would flee from private health insurance would create so much demand in the public system that it could not cope.
Increasing funding to the public system has many years of lead time because much of what is required is physical capacity which needs many $billions and time and the big funding issue is that the commonwealth provides the health insurance rebate but it is the states who provide public hospital capacity!! It requires commonwealth/ state cooperation which is pretty thin on the ground unfortunately.
We are stuck with the mixed public/private model for the moment but there are things that can be done to make it a better system.

 

[Ian4]

I'm not a big fan of private health insurance.

The government should fund the system appropriately without giving health insurance companies the opportunity to artificially increase premiums and fees for preferred 'suppliers', by way of the tax offset.

I'd accept paying more tax for that.

I had a minor ear procedure done 2 weeks ago. $1100 out of pocket simply because i didn't wanna wait through the Medicare network. $500 for private health excess. extra $250 out of pocket to the surgeon and $370 for the anaesthetist. Bloody fuming about this.

 

[spook]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1518721010849116160