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Talking Politics
- Thread starter Legends of 2017
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Disagree.
I will vote independent in my electorate for two reasons
1. My vote reflects the way I feel which is we need to get rid of this government but that i also am not a great fan of the ALP. I want them in government but to be honest that is only because I want the LNP out
2. There is zero chance the ALP can win my electorate but an independent can, by voting Labor I would be wasting that chance
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Your vote is never wasted under preferential voting. Putting independents or minor parties first in seats where they have no chance is not wasted. If you put Labor second, or basically anywhere ahead of Liberal/National (except in seats with a strong independent or minor party candidate), your vote will still end up with Labor. The minor party/independent gets to show stronger numbers and gets their deposit back from the AEC (or something like that). Just make sure you put the Liberals last, because as they saying goes, that's where they put you.
Fair enough.
But if your independent gets elected,
And its 74-74
And LNP dumps an enourmous barrel of pork in your electorate
And we end up with Morrison as PM?
Dont underestimate the lengths these *smile* will go to for power; Trumpian.
Vote 1 Labor
See above
30% of people are thinking like you, independent wins seat, hung parliament.
morrison is corrupt, Albonese isnt.
Who do you reckon will end up PM.
Dont *smile* around.
If you want to banish LNP, vote Labor
Other than climate,
Show me an independent with better policy than Labor anyway.
I reckon Labor are getting caught up in the LNP's deplorability.
But 30% aren't thinking like that. There are only a handful of credible independents, at least one of whom has said she won't work with Morrison in the case of a hung parliament - and she's one of the ex-Liberals. But we won't get a hung parliament.
I know how important this election is and I get the angst, but I'm as confident as I was at half-time of the 2017 grand final. In fact, Kane Lambert's just snapped his goal in the third.
That's pretty much how it should go. If you're in an electorate where an independent has more chance of winning than the ALP candidate, vote the Independent.
Getting the current corrupt government out is the primary goal.
(But yes, VOTE LABOR.)
I think all the purity-testers and absolutists on the never-have-to-worry-about-actually-governing side like Greens voters, should be pleasantly surprised by how progressive an Albo government is (of course they will still whinge because they're babies).
Yes, but they had a wafer-thin margin and lost the next election. I want an LNP wipeout and a substantial Labor margin so they can do what they know needs to be done without fear of losing the next election.
I think all the purity-testers and absolutists on the never-have-to-worry-about-actually-governing side like Greens voters, should be pleasantly surprised by how progressive an Albo government is (of course they will still whinge because they're babies).
They lost the next election because of internal factional wars, KRudd's ego, Credlin making "Carbon Tax" stick, and the emergence of an extremely vicious attack on Gillard in the media. But as a Government it was very productive.
Kooyong and Goldstein will never vote ALP in. The new Independents with a real shot of winning are targeting Lib seats, not ALP seats. Voting ALP 1, Teal 2 or Teal 1 ALP 2 makes no real difference.
If people like me vote Labor in my electorate rather than independent then the LNP will win the seat. It will be 75-73. I’m Kooyong, Monique Ryan needs support of more than just disaffected liberals to win, she needs left leaning voters as well. She is getting a lot of support from people who want action on climate change, don’t think either major party is doing enough but don’t want to vote Greens.
I’m not so sure you’re right. If the Labor candidate gets more primary votes that Monique Ryan, they can use her preferences to win Kooyong. I’m not saying its gonna happen, but it can. Take Flinders for example, if Despi O’Connor is forced to quit Flinders due to her eligibility issues, her votes could flow to Labor or the other independent (Sarah Russell). And I think it will.
Either way, in the (unlikely) event of a hung parliament, I can’t see any teal independents forming government with Morrison unless he performs the biggest backflip in history and agrees to stronger action on climate change and an ICAC with teeth.
Yes, I know all that, but if they'd had an actual majority and decent cushion the push for Rudd would not have happened.
Labor is running dead in Kooyong and Goldstein and probably elsewhere.
The ALP wants to rid the Libs of moderates so what is left goes MAGA crazy. #longgame
The ALP wants to rid the Libs of moderates so what is left goes MAGA crazy. #longgame
No wonder they're all *smile* scared of a federal ICAC, this Is blatant corruption.
this is my point,
Morrison would agree to put on a school dress, apply lipstick around his *smile*, bend over the bonnet of an electric car, and submit to christian porter while singing 'The Union makes me Strong'
if it means holding power.
there is nothing he wouldn't do,
because he is,
a horrible psycho
I'm unsure about this. I'm pretty sure Zali Steggall has said in the event of a hung parliament that she would support the LNP in forming government because that what her constituents want her to do.
I want a party that will do something about housing affordability - at least I know that aint the LNP.
Negative Gearing and the CGT disc encourage speculation. And once someone is in they can accrue multiple properties with no great risk. Getting wealthy on the back of no great effort or enterprise. It's out of whack.
It's outrageous that the average worker cannot afford to buy a property. My parents had that opportunity. Married couple with 4 kids, dad on a slightly above average wage and mum not working. Moved to melb in 1974 and purchased a 3BR brick house in Ashwood. House prices were 3 times average annual earnings.
Today that is a pipe dream. If you are the sole bread winner of a couple with kids earning $80K you aint buying a house anywhere in Melb. The cheapest 3 BR place in Franskton is $600K. Nobody is lending you $540K (stamp duty and costs added on) on a family salary of $80K. Let alone a couple saving the $100K deposit needed. House prices are now over 10 times average annual earnings and rising.
Home ownership should be available to anyone working. Society as a whole will benefit if more can realistically aspire to home ownership.
Negative Gearing and the CGT disc encourage speculation. And once someone is in they can accrue multiple properties with no great risk. Getting wealthy on the back of no great effort or enterprise. It's out of whack.
It's outrageous that the average worker cannot afford to buy a property. My parents had that opportunity. Married couple with 4 kids, dad on a slightly above average wage and mum not working. Moved to melb in 1974 and purchased a 3BR brick house in Ashwood. House prices were 3 times average annual earnings.
Today that is a pipe dream. If you are the sole bread winner of a couple with kids earning $80K you aint buying a house anywhere in Melb. The cheapest 3 BR place in Franskton is $600K. Nobody is lending you $540K (stamp duty and costs added on) on a family salary of $80K. Let alone a couple saving the $100K deposit needed. House prices are now over 10 times average annual earnings and rising.
Home ownership should be available to anyone working. Society as a whole will benefit if more can realistically aspire to home ownership.