Yes, but unfortunately ever since Howard, greed has overtaken egalitarianism as our defining characteristic. Houses used to be a place to live in, now they are investments that must continue to appreciate or the spoilt whingers will bleat and vote you out.
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I understand the sentiment Ian but there isn’t a chance in the world the Labor candidate will get more first preferences than Monique Ryan.
Also for me the ALP needs to be sent a message that they need to be better as well. I am very underwhelmed by them and have been for quite a long time.
yes.
its the 2nd biggest issue facing us after climate change imo
I would rank my important issues as
1. climate change - every policy is subordinate to this, its now a matter of how *smile* we are
2. housing - all you really is a couple of feeds a day, a roof and half a bed.
3. reconciling with indigenous Australia -Australia will remain in a divisive cultural purgatory until we do this adequately - acknowledge our history, give the original owners some respect and some power
4. restoring integrity in our democracy - otherwise we will descend into an unstable, vulnerable, shemozzle
and while the neo-cons and the markets had too long in charge, making it a choice between being completely *smile*, or pretty *smile*,
this is still the most important election in my lifetime, easily.
I would argue that this is the ALP being tainted by the LNP
they're all corrupt.
but labor have been opposition for 10 years.
that's a decade with orders of magnitude less ability to misuse public money and power.
while LNP *smile* everything up, except more money for very wealthy people. Sold our stuff low, bought it back high. shovelling money to themselves and their mates. making up *smile*, divisive legislation that only does them any good. dodging responsibility. Small government with big power and no accountability. the worst aggregation of corrupt, entitled, underwhelming, psychos that have ever been assembled in a cabinet.
by what possible measure does the same message need to be sent to Albonese, Wong, Chalmers, Plibersek, Clare
as Morrison, Dutton, Porter, Taylor, Cash?
honestly? what measure?
I fail to see how the message that needs to be sent isn't one of the least ambiguous, most targeted, messages that ever needed to be sent.
I respect your right to vote how you wish, and the justification of your position, which you are not bound to do.
I think yours is an extremely commonly held one right now.
But I fear its going to thrust us even further into shitsville,
with a bizarre parliamentary minestrone.
The idea of a Clive Palmer and Zali Steggle as a king-making coalition,
makes me want to rewatch the Mad Max series and take notes.
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Yeh, it is a fallacy that it is the average Joe with a property portfolio that will get hurt by any changes in this area. I don't know too many cleaners or factory workers with an investment property.
All those oldies with multiple properties and large super balances did it on the back of a free higher education and generous super concessions along the way. They could afford a house. And then an investment property or two. And still raise kids and take holidays etc. They don't realise the struggle it is for some. Young people coming out of Uni with $40K + HELP debts are starting behind the 8 ball.
Labor got into parliament on the back of 3 independents from memory. It really depends if the independent is left or right leaning.
To me the ALP should be a social Democratic Party. It should be progressive.
Sadly it is not. It is no more than the party trying to get elected by doing as little as it can. It is the party that is not headed by SCOMO which which sadly appears to be enough for them. It will probably be enough to give them Government.
My personal message by not voting for them is that is not enough for me.
The ALP learnt from the last election that releasing comprehensive policies before the election is a recipe for disaster as the LNP can fixate on costings or phrasings to tear the election apart. This is a consequence of modern election campaigns sadly.
You might be surprised as to what the elected government actually initiates in terms of policies in the first 100 days in office.
Which means they will be the Government standing for nothing.
What does this version of the ALP stand for?
Not being the LNP.
I hope they surprise me but I don’t expect it.
I was deputy leader of the Liberals. The party I served has lost its way
The Liberal Party is held hostage by its extremes. There is no capacity to reform from within. The system needs to be changed by us, the electorate.
The Fred Chaney article - pretty much describes where I sit
I understand your point of view Sin, but you can either have a continuation of the do-nothing, corrupt LNP or you can accept the broad brush strokes of policy that the ALP has provided - off the top of my head:
increased funding for higher ed and TAFE, including 400K? free places for TAFE students
Reduction of emissions way ahead of the LNP net zero policy
Acceleration of renewables as a component of energy supply
Increased support for Medicare
Federal ICAC
I'm struggling to think of any policies from the LNP except ScoMo wants to run his Religious Discrimination bill again.
If enough people voted the way you are going to, we'd unfortunately be stuck with the current bunch of Scumbags
Independent first, ALP 2nd preference will not deliver an LNP government so I am not sure where that view comes from.
If I didn’t have a teal independent in my seat I may well vote labor. I would certainly vote Labor in a 2 horse race with the Liberals
Refusing to answer an attempted gotcha is not the same as not knowing the answer.
But watch the clip, in full (not 9's edited version), the reporter was almost wailing and crying because Albanese wouldn't play his games.
Hopefully a new government led by Albanese, and a media who do not play into the stupid games of gotcha led by the sycophantic Murdoch/Nein press
Not convinced by either party Ant. I reckon we're stuck with SloMo again.
If it's this video, it shows nothing different as he hasn't answered the question. For a political leader, he should study and brief himself and expect these gotcha questions from these d-head journos. He stutters too much also.