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Talking Politics
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You honestly prefer a bloke lying through his teeth in a convincing and authoritarian fashion?
You must have bought some pretty crap cars over the years?
Just saying he doesn't speak well for a leader. Looks and sounds confused a lot of times. This is what gives him a negative perception from the media and public. As for lying, we don't know until he'd be voted in as the new PM and that's where it's all too late. Said it before, I'm not happy with either of these 2 puppets.
So should Scummo remember the average wage then:
Will the MSM even report his gaffe?
They should. Just shows we're dealing with Laurel and Hardy here as our future PMs.
of course, that is your prerogative TF.
but as ive asked before,
are you equally unhappy with these 2 puppets?
1 is a corrupt, lying, fraudulent god bothering, rape apologist, snake oil, psycho, who has achieved nothing for the countries benefit in a full term as PM, but only strived to divide and sow hate and accrue favours with powerful rich looney friends
and the other stumbles on the odd word?
really?
equal unhappiness?
really?
Yes, equally. Albo's like the Bummers. Needs to lift to impress voters.
Only a rusted on liberal could possibly have that perception of the two candidates.
There is no way in the world that SCOMO or anyone else will remember everything. It all depends on how well they are briefed and how quickly they can get access to information .
Some people have a great ability to remember facts and others don’t. Personally my own view is that a PM will have lots of people around to provide information. I’m looking for a leader not a computer
What I don’t understand is why the same concern wasn’t expressed when SCOMO said last week the average wage was $90k?
One candidate is an openly corrupt, lying rape apologist and the other stutters his words. You say they're much the same? That's not a rational position to take.
Unfortunately politics in Australia is in a horrible state.
In 1 corner we have Scomo and his corrupt merry men.
In the other corner we have someone that won't state their policies (how do they expect the public - the swing voters) to understand what the party stands for? This is the 2nd election in a row that was the unloseable election for Labor. The 1st, Labor made 2 major errors, 1 - they kept Bill Shorten when the public were telling them (for at least 2 years) that they didn't want him. Repeated polls showing Labor as the preferred 2 party vote, but Shorten way behind Morrison as leader. 2 - They released some policies within the last week of the election that were clearly controversial. They got arrogant that they thought they had won before the votes were laid and decided to throw some policies that would never fly with swing voters.
This time around its a bit more of the same. Polls also showing Labor as the preferred 2 party vote, but again seem to indicate that the public doesn't really want Albo. Seriously, we've all seen Scomo the last few years, frankly a partially competent candidate should be wiping the floor with them. The fact that Albo doesn't shows that the public just don't have any connection with him whatsoever. They are trying a different tactic than 2 from the last time, but now seem like the party that doesn't really have an agenda, as they have decided to go with less is more on policy direction and its very easy for the government to then indicate that Albo is just saying what he thinks people want to hear as there isn't really a clear direction from the ALP.
Its been clear for a while now, that the environment is a big issue. The ALP could have easily put that as their major focus, they aren't getting the far righters voting for them anyway, so they aren't appealing to the climate deniers who wouldn't be voting ALP. See my post on the Global Warming thread, the ALP had a great chance to showcase their focus on the environment with the AGL / Mike Cannon Brookes issues going on right now, and the clear blank look that the government gave to that issue, but nope the ALP are all quiet on that front too.
Pretty much the 2 campaigns are:
ALP - Its Scomo as the alternative, vote for us
LNP - Its Albo, he doesn't know what he wants, stick to the devil you know
How about competing on the strength of your policies?
In 1 corner we have Scomo and his corrupt merry men.
In the other corner we have someone that won't state their policies (how do they expect the public - the swing voters) to understand what the party stands for? This is the 2nd election in a row that was the unloseable election for Labor. The 1st, Labor made 2 major errors, 1 - they kept Bill Shorten when the public were telling them (for at least 2 years) that they didn't want him. Repeated polls showing Labor as the preferred 2 party vote, but Shorten way behind Morrison as leader. 2 - They released some policies within the last week of the election that were clearly controversial. They got arrogant that they thought they had won before the votes were laid and decided to throw some policies that would never fly with swing voters.
This time around its a bit more of the same. Polls also showing Labor as the preferred 2 party vote, but again seem to indicate that the public doesn't really want Albo. Seriously, we've all seen Scomo the last few years, frankly a partially competent candidate should be wiping the floor with them. The fact that Albo doesn't shows that the public just don't have any connection with him whatsoever. They are trying a different tactic than 2 from the last time, but now seem like the party that doesn't really have an agenda, as they have decided to go with less is more on policy direction and its very easy for the government to then indicate that Albo is just saying what he thinks people want to hear as there isn't really a clear direction from the ALP.
Its been clear for a while now, that the environment is a big issue. The ALP could have easily put that as their major focus, they aren't getting the far righters voting for them anyway, so they aren't appealing to the climate deniers who wouldn't be voting ALP. See my post on the Global Warming thread, the ALP had a great chance to showcase their focus on the environment with the AGL / Mike Cannon Brookes issues going on right now, and the clear blank look that the government gave to that issue, but nope the ALP are all quiet on that front too.
Pretty much the 2 campaigns are:
ALP - Its Scomo as the alternative, vote for us
LNP - Its Albo, he doesn't know what he wants, stick to the devil you know
How about competing on the strength of your policies?
But Ant thats weak. The problem last time wasn't releasing comprehensive policies beforehand (and even if it wasn't, if you can't back up your policies with the costings, then what are they? Pipedreams?). The problem last time was the very late addition to their policies that were unpopular and they knew they were unpopular.
What Albo is leaving them looking like now, is a party that has no belief in their own policies.
I don't vote (as I've been really lazy and not done my citizenship test), but if I was, I'm a swing voter. I don't want weak politics. Albo should be wiping the floor with him, but his reluctance to delve into his policies makes him look weak as a leader and not confident in selling his vision for Australia. Anyone competent would be a shoe in in this election, the fact that he's not is actually a massive indictment on Albo.
If the media / political journos, were generally impartial in their assessments and reporting, I think you'd have parties more open about their policies. Instead you have a fair chunk of the media actively doing the Coalitions work in casting FUD over policies, and the majority of the rest just parroting the various parties 6 second catch lines.
A true well working democracy needs the 4th Estate to play it's role. If this election campaign has proven anything it's that the major MSM are openly biased and working for the current Government. There can't be any doubt in anyone's mind about that now.
If you think Labor doesn't have any policies there's no helping you. You just want an excuse to vote for the same *smile* you always vote for, and you're happy for that excuse to be your own wilful ignorance.
Inform yourself. Take responsibility.
Inform yourself. Take responsibility.
I understand what you are saying, but if the independent does not get elected in my electorate, it ain't 74-74, it's 75-73 in favour of the LNP. The ALP cannot win Goldstein, just not going to happen.
Sorry Baloo, but you are simply wrong here.
The contest in both Goldstein and Kooyong will come down to 3 candidates: LNP, ALP and Independent. It is essential that the independent is second and not third. The reason for this is that the independent will get the vast majority of ALP preferences if the ALP is third and can win from there. If the ALP are second then the independent's preferences will be distributed and, even if a lot of them go to the ALP, it will be nowhere near as solid as ALP preferences going to the independent and the ALP will not win. If you live in Goldstein or Kooyong and you want the local member voted out then there is a world of difference between voting ALP:1 and Ind:2, or voting Ind:1 and ALP:2, it is the difference for me of having an IPA RWNJ as my local member or an independent who has a focus on issues I care about - climate change, corruption and climate change.
The huge problem here is that there is only 1 way to make housing more affordable - prices must go down. Now, if that happens, a lot of people will see the value of their biggest asset fall. I can very easily say I don't give a sh1t, we bought our house close to 3 decades ago and have no mortgage. But for those who bought recently this is a huge issue as they would be paying off a house worth less than what they paid. You can say let the buyer beware, but they paid the price because that was the only way to own a house and stop paying rent. I really don't know what we do about this, maybe offer to take over the loan and let them pay it off interest free? But that would upset the banks and they are very powerful.
Personally, I would try and get house prices down. How? For me 3 policies would be a very good start:
- Remove negative gearing.
- Remove the capital gains tax discount on investment properties.
- Massive public housing expansion to force rents way down.
On another matter, here is the calibre of candidates that the LNP pre-select:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...mr-vaccine-causes-autism-20220504-p5aicl.html
DS
You know this is a real issue for me.
Since I live in an electorate with an independent standing who has a chance of winning, we are getting a mountain of leaflets through our mailbox (despite the no junk mail sign which political campaigns can ignore) hammering the line that the independents have no economic policies.
Today we got a 3 fold leaflet from Wilson again hammering no economic policies from the independent and touting the strong "economic plan" the LNP have for Australia.
Ok, fine Mr LNP, you reckon the independents have no economic policies, what are the LNP economic policies? What exactly is your so-called plan for a strong economy?
Looked through the brochure . . . not 1 economic policy.
Have been following the news . . . no LNP economic policies in sight.
The LNP have no economic policies, none, at all.
But what they do have is the recent budget. A pile of sweeteners which all expire just after the election. Plus, tax cuts . . . for the rich, and tax rises . . . for low and middle income earners who will lose the low and middle income tax break they decided not to continue.
But as for an actual policy for the future, they simply don't have one.
DS
In Kooyong the ALP are running dead.
In Goldstein the ALP dude is on about 14% of primary.
In these two seats, it's not going to matter what order you put 1 or 2. The electorate has decided it's a two horse race.