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The low primary vote as being a problem is dumb analysis. It rests on the old middle and upper class V working class factory workers. Thats gone for good. Things change, voting patterns change.
This. Dare I say it but its far more nuanced than the traditional tropes.
 
We can get onto Victoria once this election is over with, but i am glad you agree you the Libs have been a disaster for the national economy.
Over 250 billion they spent on payments over covid ,lm not entirely sure whether thats everything included ,like vaccinations etc,l also guess with so many lock downs on business ,the tax coming in would have been probably the lowest for a long long time.
 
McGowan is actually putting the country's interest ahead of Labor's by speaking against Dutton. A Dutton led party will be a disaster and will leave the Libs competing on the fringe with Hanson and Palmer which would leave Labor in government for years.
Name calling is just poor in my opinion. Just use facts to make your point. I’m sure there is enough evidence around.
 
Name calling is just poor in my opinion. Just use facts to make your point. I’m sure there is enough evidence around.
He didn't call Dutton a name. He said he was an extremist. And gave his opinion that Dutton is not too bright. He could have gone far harder, frankly.
 
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Can boofhead's favourite "the member will not longer be heard" be used against the leader of the opposition?

It would be much better for the country if that tactic was shelved. But I reckon boofhead deserves to hear it every time he stands up
 
AEC declares Deakin an ALP win. Sukkar out. But I imagine a recount will be called. 59 votes in it

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Hmmm, that may have been a tad premature and obviously I can't make sense of what that AEC means by 100% of the ballot papers voted. Here's an update

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So I have NFI

Baloo, it isn't you who has NFI, it is the recounting which would be going on. Mistakes are always made, especially when sorting thousands of ballot papers, despite there being scrutineers looking over your shoulder. You look at hundreds of ballots and they all look like they follow, say, the ALP how to vote card (they get sorted into piles of 100 with the same preference order, mainly following each how to vote card) and you miss one that has the preferences in a different order, so easy to do.

No electorates have been formally declared as yet, many recounts will happen before then.

Deakin is very close, there will be a large number of recounts as it is so hard to get it right (ever tried to proof read a typo in a headline? That's when you learn how much our brains fill in when we read, amazing skill when you think about it). So expect to see the numbers move around a bit. Of course, if it gets down to a very small margin, maybe less than 20, the major party which loses will look for dead voters, multiple votes and the like to see if they can challenge the result and force a bye-election. Also, they would still be accepting postal votes for a little while and who knows if there might be something to challenge with the telephone votes.

DS
 
I'll add one more thing about Deakin. Turnout a the moment is listed as 76%, final turnout in the last election was 94%. Compulsory voting means the turnout is generally around the mid 90s. What this may indicate is that there are still votes to come in. Now these will likely be absentee votes, votes from interstate and postal votes. Likely to favour the Libs but it is very close so wait and see.

DS
 
Outside of winning Richmond flag bets in recent years, monetising the Kooyong and Goldstein results are easily the highlights of my multi-decade punting life.
 
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Im a bit confused why/how a new govt was sworn in without a majority or a formal agreement with crossbench?

Was everybody so eager to move on from LNP,

That we suspended constitutional convention?
 
Outside of winning Richmond flag bets in recent years, monetising the Kooyong and Goldstein results are easily the highlights of my multi-decade punting life.

Im pretty sure Dutton was $10 to be opposition leader on friday.

I thought he would be, but couldnt bear to profit from it
 
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Im a bit confused why/how a new govt was sworn in without a majority or a formal agreement with crossbench?

Was everybody so eager to move on from LNP,

That we suspended constitutional convention?
Because of the meeting in Japan.
 
Because of the meeting in Japan.

Couldnt a PM-elect attend?

Weird thing to rush through, seemingly with bipartisan support, unless theres a crisis afoot?

I cant ever recall 4 people being sworn to all ministries?

It seems odd too me theres no analysis of this when its such a constitutional anomoly?
 
Im a bit confused why/how a new govt was sworn in without a majority or a formal agreement with crossbench?

Was everybody so eager to move on from LNP,

That we suspended constitutional convention?
I really have no idea if this is correct. .... but I believe the government of the day... ie; Morrison, gives his advice to the GG that he concedes that they have no path to forming a new government and therefore recommends that the only possible option is for Albanese to be sworn in so as to have continuity of government.
That is my layman's explanation. ... I'm sure someone else can clean it up with a couple of hundred pages of constitutional legalistic gymnastics!
 
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Couldnt a PM-elect attend?

Weird thing to rush through, seemingly with bipartisan support, unless theres a crisis afoot?

I cant ever recall 4 people being sworn to all ministries?

It seems odd too me theres no analysis of this when its such a constitutional anomoly?
a bit of info about the rushed swearing in and the legalities

How can he become Prime Minister without majority?​

As of Monday morning, Labor was yet to reach the 76 seats needed to form government.

If it falls short, it will need the support of the crossbench to pass legislation in the House of Representatives.

To be sworn in as Prime Minister, Governor-General David Hurley needed to be convinced that Mr Albanese would be able to govern in some form.

The election results have shown that Labor was the only major party that would be able to govern — either in majority or minority.

If the results had been closer and it was clear there would be a hung parliament, but no clarity around which party would secure the support of the crossbench to form government, then the Governor-General would not have agreed to swear in Mr Albanese or Scott Morrison.

The Governor-General has to have confidence that whoever becomes prime minister will be able to maintain a stable government, whether that's with the support of the crossbench or not.

He also would have received legal advice before the swearing-in to make sure it was the right decision.

Usually there would not be the kind of rush there is this time around, but the Quad leaders meeting in Tokyo has meant the process has had to be expedited.


 
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Im a bit confused why/how a new govt was sworn in without a majority or a formal agreement with crossbench?

Was everybody so eager to move on from LNP,

That we suspended constitutional convention?

As others have said I gather it was due to the Japan meeting and Morrison conceding he had no path to government.
 
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Apparently the 5 cross benchers who have guaranteed supply and as well as not supporting a no confidence motion are:

Rebekha Sharkie, Bob Katter, Zali Steggall, Andrew Wilkie and Helen Haines
 
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Couldnt a PM-elect attend?

Weird thing to rush through, seemingly with bipartisan support, unless theres a crisis afoot?

I cant ever recall 4 people being sworn to all ministries?

It seems odd too me theres no analysis of this when its such a constitutional anomoly?
Im curious to see how Albo handles it ,now that Biden has said he would defend Taiwan against a chinese invasion .
 
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Then you have Dictator Dan who doesn't need explanation.

Q: How can you tell someone is a cooker?

A: Anyone who uses the phrase "Dictator Dan."

Saw some interesting views on twitter yesterday. Samantha Maiden posted something about the “Dan Factor” and how the Liberals ignorantly thought it would work in their favour. Some of the responses were interesting.

It was generally accepted that the Liberals were drinking the cool aid of Sky News, Herald Sun and FreeDumb fighter cookers. Also, while the amount of “Dictator Dan" critics are small in number, they are vocal, and the hate is real and fierce.
 
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