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tigerman

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Barilaro has fallen on his sword and quit his jobs for the boys, US trade commissioner job.
Too bad the story broke before he could take up his appointment:mhihi
 
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Tigers of Old

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The Barilaro situation needs to be investigated. Appoints himself to a half a million $ a year job? Wouldn't we all like that.
Fraud? Theft? Whatever you want to call it Australian Taxpayers deserve better.
 
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artball

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The Barilaro situation needs to be investigated. Appoints himself to a half a million $ a year job? Wouldn't we all like that.
Fraud? Theft? Whatever you want to call it Australian Taxpayers deserve better.
right on ToO.... Pork Barillo...
 
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Brodders17

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Should be just Labor, Greens and one more. 76 Senators, but only 75 vote on any bill as the President doesn't vote, so they need 38 votes to pass a bill.

Pity they just pissed off the cross bench by reducing their staffing. I know the ALP Government is trying to find savings anywhere they can hoping a lot of smaller savings will add up, but this also reeks a bit of the major parties trying to head off any challenge to their 2 party oligopoly. Bad decision, should be reversed immediately.

DS
i dont think they are trying to "head off any challenge to their 2 party oligopoly". it is in their favour to have those independents in parliament ahead of the Libs- and most of the seats they won are usually Liberal seats.
I jsut reckon they see taking money off politicians as easy- no elector backlash, and taking it from the independents caused Labor the least harm.

I am not sure if the decision has been reversed yet, but it will be, at least partially. all the funding wont be returned, but some will.
 
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DavidSSS

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i dont think they are trying to "head off any challenge to their 2 party oligopoly". it is in their favour to have those independents in parliament ahead of the Libs- and most of the seats they won are usually Liberal seats.
I jsut reckon they see taking money off politicians as easy- no elector backlash, and taking it from the independents caused Labor the least harm.

I am not sure if the decision has been reversed yet, but it will be, at least partially. all the funding wont be returned, but some will.

I think they like the oligopoly, but we'll see, the temptation to use the independents to harm the LNP would be strong.

I can certainly see concessions being made to the independents in terms of funding advisor positions. They have the nice announcement of saving money by reducing the number of advisors and letting some back would barely be reported.

DS
 

TigerForce

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Vic Roads partly privatising to a joint venture of super funds. Not sure how and why, but let's hope they finally cut that terrible TAC charge everyone pays annually.

Let's hope this is true as I've been clean for 12 years with 12 demerit points, with last one in 2010 driving 2km passed the limit in a 60km/h zone.....with no-one around......geez.

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TigerMasochist

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Vic Roads partly privatising to a joint venture of super funds. Not sure how and why, but let's hope they finally cut that terrible TAC charge everyone pays annually.

Let's hope this is true as I've been clean for 12 years with 12 demerit points, with last one in 2010 driving 2km passed the limit in a 60km/h zone.....with no-one around......geez.

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Wanna see how much they jack initial prices up first to pay for their investment before they offer the discount. Bloody pathetic that the new investors will be upgrading n integrating all the Vic Roads tech systems asap. Considering the State Govt has dragged *smile* loads of funds out every year to fund their own general wastage dept. without spending a cent to upgrade them.
 
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AngryAnt

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Vic Roads partly privatising to a joint venture of super funds. Not sure how and why, but let's hope they finally cut that terrible TAC charge everyone pays annually.

Let's hope this is true as I've been clean for 12 years with 12 demerit points, with last one in 2010 driving 2km passed the limit in a 60km/h zone.....with no-one around......geez.

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TAC is the no-fault transport accident insurance scheme (Transport Accident Commission), covers you in case of physical disability/injury in case of an accident. Nothing to do with your registration even though you pay that fee at the same time. That snippet above appears to refer to your licence renewal, not your rego either.

 

TigerForce

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TAC is the no-fault transport accident insurance scheme (Transport Accident Commission), covers you in case of physical disability/injury in case of an accident. Nothing to do with your registration even though you pay that fee at the same time. That snippet above appears to refer to your licence renewal, not your rego either.

Yeah two different things.

I'm just hoping that the new owners of Vic Roads can somehow reduce the TAC charge as I feel it's way too high. How would people who barely drive feel in paying this much annually and have less chance of any accident involvement. As for the snippet, at least they can finally reward rating 1 drivers (which I have been) with some discount at some point.
 
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DavidSSS

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Don't think you will get anywhere with that TigerForce, the TAC is a no-fault system which is effectively a fund for everyone to be covered. One of the best reforms we ever saw, brought in by the Hamer government from memory. The problem is that motor vehicles cause a lot of deaths and injuries and they are expensive to treat.

DS
 
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TigerForce

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Don't think you will get anywhere with that TigerForce, the TAC is a no-fault system which is effectively a fund for everyone to be covered. One of the best reforms we ever saw, brought in by the Hamer government from memory. The problem is that motor vehicles cause a lot of deaths and injuries and they are expensive to treat.

DS
As I mentioned before, what about people who barely drive? Wouldn't it be better to tier the charge someway?

I just find avg of ~ $400 every year as way too much and I barely drive nowadays. They also calculate this with the same silly way car insurances do - the risk zone.
 
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DavidSSS

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As I mentioned before, what about people who barely drive? Wouldn't it be better to tier the charge someway?

I just find avg of ~ $400 every year as way too much and I barely drive nowadays. They also calculate this with the same silly way car insurances do - the risk zone.

I hardly ever drive, then again we are a 1 car household and it ain't my car so I don't pay rego/TAC.

Can you live with less cars if you have more than 1?

DS
 
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TT33

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As I mentioned before, what about people who barely drive? Wouldn't it be better to tier the charge someway?

I just find avg of ~ $400 every year as way too much and I barely drive nowadays. They also calculate this with the same silly way car insurances do - the risk zone.


I thought it was funny how the state Opposition squawked about privatizing Vicroads when they're the same bunch of rectum bashers who privatised the electricity companies which has led to the current :cool: oops (pun intended) terrible condition of those particular energy suppliers & consequently the incredibly high price we pay for electricity in this state.

We used to have almost the lowest electricity prices in the world, now we are paying almost the highest.

Thanks Kennett you kennett.
 
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Sintiger

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The timing is definitely interesting considering Merlino would be the next leader of the Vic ALP. As a Minister he's not one of the best though, the education department is not run very well and he's apparently hard to deal with.
Merlino was no chance to be leader, not enough support in the party. He was also recognised as the slowest and least accessable senior minister. Known as Minister Tortoise for taking so long to make decisions.
 
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TigerMasochist

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Don't think you will get anywhere with that TigerForce, the TAC is a no-fault system which is effectively a fund for everyone to be covered. One of the best reforms we ever saw, brought in by the Hamer government from memory. The problem is that motor vehicles cause a lot of deaths and injuries and they are expensive to treat.

DS
TAC screws down every cent they can avoid paying to injured parties n all the profits siphon back to the Govt. consolidated revenue. Pretty sure it's been well over $100 mill per year for twenty years or more gets skimmed off the top. All the TAC moneys should filter back to accident victims but unfortunately it doesn't happen.
 
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DavidSSS

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TAC screws down every cent they can avoid paying to injured parties n all the profits siphon back to the Govt. consolidated revenue. Pretty sure it's been well over $100 mill per year for twenty years or more gets skimmed off the top. All the TAC moneys should filter back to accident victims but unfortunately it doesn't happen.

Yeah, you can criticise the way it is run, and there are many valid criticisms, but it remains a great system.

DS
 
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AngryAnt

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TAC screws down every cent they can avoid paying to injured parties n all the profits siphon back to the Govt. consolidated revenue. Pretty sure it's been well over $100 mill per year for twenty years or more gets skimmed off the top. All the TAC moneys should filter back to accident victims but unfortunately it doesn't happen.

Maso writing off anything that government ever does, what a shock
 
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Sintiger

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TAC screws down every cent they can avoid paying to injured parties n all the profits siphon back to the Govt. consolidated revenue. Pretty sure it's been well over $100 mill per year for twenty years or more gets skimmed off the top. All the TAC moneys should filter back to accident victims but unfortunately it doesn't happen.
TM I have a lot to do with TAC. There will always be people who feel they could have got more but imo generally TAC are good payers. Like all government bureaucracies they love paperwork and forms and could make claiming a bit easier but they have been working a lot on claims processes.
You are right in saying they return a dividend to the government every year but that is because the number of traffic injuries have reduced over time, certainly as a percentage of the number of cars on the road paying premiums. There is an argument they could reduce the premium ( VIC Roads is just the collection agent) but it wouldn’t be that much, maybe $25-$30 or something like that. I do know however that they made a bumper profit during COVID as injuries in car accidents were massively down. They aren’t the only ones who pay dividends back to government, work safe does it from time to time as an example.
TAC also invest into the major road accident hospitals at times by working with them on treatment and rehab improvements.
As others have said TAC is a great no-fault system and generally works pretty well.
 
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tigerman

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Four Corners will be well worth watching tonight, it's about all the disenfranchised Liberals airing their dirty linen.
 
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