Talking Politics

[Panthera Tigris]

South Korea is interesting. Never been there myself but there's some stuff there that on paper, appeals.

Some well travelled friends have been there a few times. They're a bit mixed about it though, and I've heard others take the same view.

Guess you never know, till you go. Everyone's got different tastes when it comes to travel.

We’ll have to take this one to the travel forum Redders. We digress

I have a good mate who did a year there as a gap year, teaching English in his 20s. Lived in a regional town. So a more traditional society than Seoul.

He said he is still haunted by being awoken by the local dog vendor driving around the neighbourhood in a van at 6am each morning, the same as an ice cream van would here. Instead of music playing, spruiking in a voice of the grim reaper (in Korean) over the speaker, “live dogs for sale!” The dogs weren’t being sold as pets.

 

[Redford]

We’ll have to take this one to the travel forum Redders. We digress

I have a good mate who did a year there as a gap year, teaching English in his 20s. Lived in a regional town. So a more traditional society than Seoul.

He said he is still haunted by being awoken by the local dog vendor driving around the neighbourhood in a van at 6am each morning, the same as an ice cream van would here. Instead of music playing, spruiking in a voice of the grim reaper (in Korean) over the speaker, “live dogs for sale!” The dogs weren’t being sold as pets.

Oh geez....

 

[TigerMasochist]

Thanks for bringing yourself to my attention.................you can join him

Aaaaahhh. So that's how cancel culture works. Who'da thunk ya could just turn off every thought n opinion ya don't like or agree with and all of a sudden utopia appears.

 

[Ralphie]

Aaaaahhh. So that's how cancel culture works. Who'da thunk ya could just turn off every thought n opinion ya don't like or agree with and all of a sudden utopia appears.

Oh have a sook, I'm sure you change the channel when there is something on the tele you don't like or can't be bothered with..............same deal

 

[Sintiger]

We’ll have to take this one to the travel forum Redders. We digress

I have a good mate who did a year there as a gap year, teaching English in his 20s. Lived in a regional town. So a more traditional society than Seoul.

He said he is still haunted by being awoken by the local dog vendor driving around the neighbourhood in a van at 6am each morning, the same as an ice cream van would here. Instead of music playing, spruiking in a voice of the grim reaper (in Korean) over the speaker, “live dogs for sale!” The dogs weren’t being sold as pets.

That’s officially illegal now although I am sure it would still happen.
My first visit to Seoul was very early 90s. Not long after the olympics and the change in the constitution. There were still some demonstrations going on but nothing like a few years before. South Korean citizens required government approval to travel overseas until the 1980s, it was a very insular society. In some ways getting the olympics was what forced it to open up.
It is actually a modern day industrial miracle.

 

[DavidSSS]

Rubbish.

Some people have very limited horizons.

But, I forgot, he never makes assertions without evidence.

He'll probably try and get this thread closed now, and try to shift the blame.

DS

 

[Panthera Tigris]

That’s officially illegal now although I am sure it would still happen.
My first visit to Seoul was very early 90s. Not long after the olympics and the change in the constitution. There were still some demonstrations going on but nothing like a few years before. South Korean citizens required government approval to travel overseas until the 1980s, it was a very insular society. In some ways getting the olympics was what forced it to open up.
It is actually a modern day industrial miracle.

This was 20-25 years ago too that my mate did his year in Korea.

Was only made illegal in the past few years wasn’t it? I think I remember reading about it in an edition of The Economist magazine. Seeing pictures of demonstrators (mainly older rural people) protesting outside the houses of govt while barbecuing and munging into some dog meat. Saying how it (the legislation) was an affront to their traditional lifestyle, or something along those lines.

Yes, South Korea does fly under the radar a bit. Where it truly has been remarkable. Went from one of the poorest, most impoverished, entirely ruined countries in the world in the 1950s, to first world living standards within four decades (perhaps three and a half). It was as poor and impoverished as the poorest parts of Africa or South Asia. No other country has achieved such a trajectory.

Post war Europe and Japan not a like for like comparison with South Korea, as they already had industrial history of higher living standards.

That said, a lot of US money went into South Korea for political reasons. But they weren’t the only country receiving that. It is no guarantee of success if mismanaged. In the early years it wasn’t looking great for the fledgling republic either. The North was doing much better, achieving relatively better prosperity. So it really was from the 1960s to 80s, that South Korea developed from impoverished to first world in extremely quick time.

 

[DavidSSS]

This was 20-25 years ago too that my mate did his year in Korea.

Was only made illegal in the past few years wasn’t it? I think I remember reading about it in an edition of The Economist magazine. Seeing pictures of demonstrators (mainly older rural people) protesting outside the houses of govt while barbecuing and munging into some dog meat. Saying how it (the legislation) was an affront to their traditional lifestyle, or something along those lines.

Yes, South Korea does fly under the radar a bit. Where it truly has been remarkable. Went from one of the poorest, most impoverished, entirely ruined countries in the world in the 1950s, to first world living standards within four decades (perhaps three and a half). It was as poor and impoverished as the poorest parts of Africa or South Asia. No other country has achieved such a trajectory.

Post war Europe and Japan not a like for like comparison with South Korea, as they already had industrial history of higher living standards.

That said, a lot of US money went into South Korea for political reasons. But they weren’t the only country receiving that. It is no guarantee of success if mismanaged. In the early years it wasn’t looking great for the fledgling republic either. The North was doing much better, achieving relatively better prosperity. So it really was from the 1960s to 80s, that South Korea developed from impoverished to first world in extremely quick time.

I am not really up on South Korea but I do remember a couple of things from studies way back.

It used to be a truism that corrupt countries do not succeed in developing. That one went out the window when all the corruption in South Korea was exposed at the same time as South Korea was being touted as one of the Asian Tigers.

Then there is the argument that somehow the development of South Korea was a miracle of the free market. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think it was back in the 1950s or 1960s, but the government at the time locked up some of the heads of the Chaebols (not certain on the spelling) and basically told them to invest productively or this would be their new home. South Korea built strategic industries. Ship building is a classic example. They ignored the advice of the likes of the IMF and World Bank, sent people over to Scotland to see how ships were built, and built their own ship building industry. They don't make ships in Scotland any more. Classic case of directed development.

I have seen a little on the current situation but not familiar enough with it. The President declaring marshal law was particularly stupid in a country which has memory of military dictatorships. I'm surprised he hasn't resigned yet, looks like he will be impeached if he doesn't.

DS

 

[tigersnake]

Geez the relentless posting of links and thousand plus words of copied text which is all *smile*, and even if there was anything credible and or interesting you're never going to read it because of the boy who cried wolf effect, thread is pretty much buggered.

Willo, before I post a link or quote a source, which isn't often, I ask myself:
Is it highly relevant to the discussion?
Is it from a credible source?
Is it interesting?
Does it consider counter arguments?

 

[Sintiger]

This was 20-25 years ago too that my mate did his year in Korea.

Was only made illegal in the past few years wasn’t it? I think I remember reading about it in an edition of The Economist magazine. Seeing pictures of demonstrators (mainly older rural people) protesting outside the houses of govt while barbecuing and munging into some dog meat. Saying how it (the legislation) was an affront to their traditional lifestyle, or something along those lines.

It was certainly not long ago, in the last couple of years I reckon.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Oh have a sook, I'm sure you change the channel when there is something on the tele you don't like or can't be bothered with..............same deal

Not when you're supposedly having conversations n discussing different opinions with someone else. La La La click, how sad.

 

[spook]

I'm putting this here because I'm not sure where else it goes and I think it's a kind of political hit. And the way things are going it won't be the last.

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson Is Fatally Shot in New York City: Live Updates

The executive, Brian Thompson, was shot in what the police described as a “brazen targeted attack” outside a hotel where the company was holding an investor meeting. The assailant was last spotted in Central Park, investigators said at a news conference.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MD Jazz]

Geez the relentless posting of links and thousand plus words of copied text which is all *smile*, and even if there was anything credible and or interesting you're never going to read it because of the boy who cried wolf effect, thread is pretty much buggered.

Willo, before I post a link or quote a source, which isn't often, I ask myself:
Is it highly relevant to the discussion?
Is it from a credible source?
Is it interesting?
Does it consider counter arguments?

He claims to be a critical thinker that looks at all sides of an argument and sources information from everywhere yet posts more inane, unsubstantiated rubbish than anyone on the whole site. He writes long winded, self-praising critiques of posts that provide counter views to his, often citing obscure RW websites and says gotcha - see I am right.

I have watched a couple of the videos to the end, they all have the same MO. They cherry pick data, are completely biased, present opinion as fact and ignore any counter arguments. It's like watching any Sky News show - they are echo chambers. Murray/Panahi/Bolt/Credlin/Dean/Bond.... the list goes on. Where is the balance?

They have shows like The Late Debate, they promote it as showing 3 sides to every story. Bond/Macpherson/Storer. 3 sides? Right, Far Right and Far Far Right? There are no debates, just a series of acknowledgements of the great points and observations they each make. Below are there last couple of months of debates. FOX US is exactly the same, probably worse.

The Late Debate

The Late Debate | 4 December
00:00 / 48:40

The Late Debate
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There are three sides to every story, with James Macpherson, Liz Storer & Caleb Bond.

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  The Late Debate | 4 December
  Football player Marc Guehi defies rainbow captain's armband by writing 'Jesus Loves You' despite being threatened with a ban. Plus, Jaguar's latest car design raises eyebrows, and banks starting to introduce 40-year mortgages.
  48:40
  Dec 4
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  The Late Debate | 3 December
  A Canadian town has been fined $10,000 for refusing to celebrate pride month, Catholic schools topping the NAPLAN results, and the NY Times slammed for gender language.
  49:14
  Dec 3
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  The Late Debate | 2 December
  A pub chain apologises for it's proposed Australia Day ban following serious backlash, the prime minister's green dream a failing reality, and a woman fights off a tiger snake as she drives down a Melbourne freeway.
  49:18
  Dec 2
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  The Late Debate | 28 November
  UK PM Sir Keir Starmer opens door to Islamophobia laws, Kamala Harris' campaign reveals shocking internal polling numbers. Plus, ABC Chair Kim Williams faces backlash over his criticism of Joe Rogan.
  48:44
  Nov 28
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  The Late Debate | 27 November
  Walmart rolls back diversity policies amid conservative backlash, historic assisted dying bill looms in the UK. Plus, disgraceful scenes play out in the Senate over Fatima Payman's eligibility.
  49:17
  Nov 27
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  The Late Debate | 26 November
  Joe Biden's staffers offered therapy sessions after suffering an election loss meltdown following Donald Trump's victory. Plus, astonishing claims by an Australian museum that rocks can be transgendered.
  49:23
  Nov 26
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  The Late Debate | 25 November
  One of the climate protesters at yesterday's protests in Newcastle has already been released on bail despite 16 previous charges for similar offences, and the Australian front page details just how bad the economy is under Jim Chalmers.
  49:24
  Nov 25
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  The Late Debate | 21 November
  Embarrassment for the Albanese government as one of the country's wind turbine manufacturers stops producing. Plus, car theft in Townsville will now be classified as an 'addiction' in an effort to tackle the crime.
  49:30
  Nov 21
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  The Late Debate | 20 November
  The Adelaide City Council proposes to introduce a crazy 30km/h city-wide speed limit. Plus, plans for Indigenous people to co-design the Brisbane Olympic facilities, and Labor using the Future Fund to invest in green energy projects.
  48:49
  Nov 20
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  The Late Debate | 19 November
  Sydney set to come to a standstill this weekend as the rail union goes on strike over the weekend seeking a 32 per cent pay rise, and Anthony Albanese cuddles up with Xi Jinping at the G20 summit in Brazil.
  49:23
  Nov 19
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  The Late Debate | 18 November
  Donald Trump receives a hero's welcome at the UFC, Alan Jones charged with historic sex offences, and Robert F Kennedy Jr set to 'Make America Healthy Again'... tomorrow, after he was pictured eating McDonald's on Trump Force One.
  49:14
  Nov 18
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  The Late Debate | 14 November
  Myer cancels the opening of their Christmas window display following threats from Palestinian protesters. Plus, The Guardian newspaper announces it's leaving 'X', and the cost of renewables costing half a trillion dollars more than you'd been told.
  48:53
  Nov 14
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  The Late Debate | 12 November
  The hypocrisy of politicians who keep propagating climate change on full display. Plus, good news for regional Australians as Rex Airlines is being thrown a lifeline, and beachgoers in Western Australia are greeted by an Emperor penguin.
  49:39
  Nov 12
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  The Late Debate | 11 November
  The Taliban accuse the US of being sexist in the wake of Kamala Harris' election loss, Indigenous leaders push to restore Aboriginal rock art that is invisible to the naked eye, and Jamie Oliver's cook book slammed by Indigenous groups.
  49:25
  Nov 11
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  The Late Debate | 6 November
  Against all the odds Donald Trump prevails victorious at the US Presidential election, winning both the Electoral College and Popular Vote. The epic meltdowns continue from lefties as America votes Trump back into office.
  49:11
  Nov 7
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  The Late Debate | 5 November
  Interest rates on hold but the RBA Governor says that won't rule out a future rise. Plus, Democrat voters backflip when asked to bear the burden of their own bad policies, and Australian mining companies invited to dig up in New Zealand.
  49:31
  Nov 5
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  The Late Debate | 4 November
  Donald Trump and Kamala Harris make their final push for votes, new research finds a link between mental health issues and hot weather, and the world's fattest cat passes away.
  49:20
  Nov 5
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  The Late Debate | 31 October
  Joe Biden's bizarre antics continue as the US President pictured biting a baby's foot. Plus, water bills in Sydney to jump up by 50 per cent as the city struggles to keep up with population growth.
  49:08
  Oct 31
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  The Late Debate | 30 October
  Anthony Albanese's attempt to clarify the Qantas upgrades scandal only raises more questions. Plus, Victorians who questioned Dan Andrews' COVID-19 laws labelled 'pig headed know-it-alls', and a US court asks for elephants to be given human rights.
  48:49
  Oct 30
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  The Late Debate | 29 October
  The COVID pandemic response report says the government's response was a 'betrayal of trust'. Plus, a woman in the US sues an airline for serving her an in-flight ice cream without telling her it was icy.
  49:29
  Oct 29
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  The Late Debate | 28 October
  The Prime Minister's relationship with Qantas facing scrutiny after it was revealed he received more than two dozen flight upgrades. Plus, a police officer found guilty of misconduct for stealing a roll of toilet paper.
  49:23
  Oct 28
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  The Late Debate | 24 October
  China accuses Australia of racism, Plus, Kamala Harris continues failing in the polls, and Trump-derangement syndrome vs. MAGA: an epic showdown between two American neighbours.
  49:12
  Oct 24
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  The Late Debate | 23 October
  Sydney restaurant owner Alan Yazbek forced out of his own company for displaying a 'Stop Nazi Israel' sign. Plus, the NSW Reconstruction Authority decides that an earthquake doesn't classify as a natural disaster.
  35:59
  Oct 24
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  The Late Debate | 22 October
  University students in Melbourne stage a mass walkout at the Australian Catholic University following a speech about abortion and same-sex marriage. Plus, parents sue a school district after their son got a very poor grade.
  49:03
  Oct 22
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  The Late Debate | 21 October
  The Irish government's call for expats in Australia to come home and help their own housing crisis has received backlash. Steel manufacturers in Victoria feeling duped by the state's politicians. Plus, Australia will cut 'forever chemicals' in water.
  47:52
  Oct 21
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  The Late Debate | 17 October
  Power prices continue to soar with no relief in sight. Anthony Albanese's staff stuff up his diary schedule. Plus, a Queensland town loses battle on Aboriginal land grab.
  49:07
  Oct 17
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  The Late Debate | 16 October
  A pro-Palestinian activist tears down Greek flags thinking it to be the Israeli flag, GWS footballers facing bans over their post-season antics. Plus, global demand for coal reaches an all-time high despite Australian politicians demonising it.
  49:27
  Oct 16
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  The Late Debate | 15 October
  Surprise, surprise! Meghan Markle plays the victim card once again. The government blasted for its bid to bring a First Nation's approach to foreign policy. Plus, the Victorian government continues to get it wrong when tackling the housing crisis.
  49:19
  Oct 15
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  The Late Debate | 14 October
  Tanya Plibersek's decision to block a $1 billion gold mine based in-part thanks to Aboriginal drawings, Victorian public servants set to receive training about white privilege, and we'll take a look at the world's dumbest criminals ever.
  49:20
  Oct 14
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  The Late Debate | 10 October
  Peter Beattie labels the Albanese government's Middle East policy as 'a daydream', Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen forced to make a very hushed apology to Indigenous Australians, and Fatima Payman's ironic name choice for her new political party.
  49:28
  Oct 10
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  The Late Debate | 9 October
  Australia's peak judicial body says judges should be educated on the ills of colonialism, the Victorian Coalition leads Labor for the first time in seven years, and an expensive Dutch modern artwork mistaken for trash by staff working at the gallery.
  49:26
  Oct 9
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  The Late Debate | 8 October
  A Queensland Labor candidate flees reporter after being questioned over her old social media posts, the Coalition opposes Labor's misinformation bill. Plus, calls grow for adequate gender testing in sports.
  49:25
  Oct 8
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  The Late Debate | 7 October
  Legal experts warn Labor's misinformation bill could result in Australians being jailed if they refuse to co-operate. Plus, the incredible story of a woman who applied for a job in 1976 and received a reply just this week.
  49:22
  Oct 7
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  The Late Debate | 3 October
  A shocking NSW Police audit finds $8.4 million in police vests unaccounted for, Tim Walz tries to clarify his shooter comment. Plus, Kamala Harris finally visits Hurricane Helene-affected Georgia.
  49:19
  Oct 3
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  The Late Debate | 2 October
  The new Gen Z work trend, California Governor bans voter ID requirements. Plus, JD Vance's masterclass debate performance against Tim Walz.
  49:21
  Oct 2
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  The Late Debate | 1 October
  The true cost of renewable energy revealed, JD Vance and Tim Walz are set to face-off in an election debate. Plus, new polls show Keir Starmer is more unpopular than Rishi Sunak in the UK.
  49:18
  Oct 1
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  The Late Debate | 30 September
  The UK's army chief claims the nation's military is too small for a war, the war against our freedom of speech. Plus, Kama Harris visits the US-Mexico border.
  49:08
  Sep 30
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  The Late Debate | 26 September
  Aldi rated as the cheapest supermarket in Australia, Kamala Harris fails to give a straight answer in her exclusive MSNBC interview. Plus, UK PM Sir Keir 'scrounger' Starmer strikes again.
  48:42
  Sep 26
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  The Late Debate | 25 September
  A WA city council votes to bring back Australia Day celebrations after snubbing it in 2024, Argentina President Javier Milei slams the UN for preaching ideology instead of peace. Plus, Donald Trump promises a new age for American industrialism.
  49:19
  Sep 25
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  The Late Debate | 24 September
  More public funds being squandered, Queensland health COO given $350K handshake, Trump gunman spent months planning. Plus, US government fly Ukrainian president in.
  49:21
  Sep 24
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  The Late Debate | 23 September
  The ACCC takes Coles and Woolworths to court over allegedly misleading customers about discounted products, a record number of Australians raid their super to pay for medical treatments. Plus, questions over Donald Trump's security detail looms.
  49:19
  Sep 23
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  The Late Debate | 19 September
  NSW politicians undergo anti-bullying training, a group booted from a UK pub over trans chat. Plus, Anthony Albanese lashes out at radio host during an interview.
  49:31
  Sep 19
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  The Late Debate | 18 September
  The government confirms ACMA would enforce the proposed misinformation law, a major shake-up for HSC examinations. Plus, should the social media onus be on parents?
  49:10
  Sep 18
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  The Late Debate | 17 September
  An independent review finds dire PFAS level in NSW dams, the UN approves a cybercrime convention treaty. Plus, Pope Francis criticised for his religion comments.
  49:28
  Sep 17
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  The Late Debate | 16 September
  Questions raised over the US Secret Service after a second assassination attempt on Donald Trump, Tim Walz's wife's cringe speech goes viral. Plus, Elon Musk slams the Labor government as "fascists" over the misinformation bill.
  49:32
  Sep 16
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  The Late Debate | 12 September
  Qld Premier Steven Miles accused of 'gaslighting women', Kamala Harris' campaign doesn't see a post-debate polling bounce. Plus, 'pets with Trump' AI memes flood the internet.
  49:21
  Sep 12
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  The Late Debate | 11 September
  Join James Macpherson, Liz Storer, and Joe Hildebrand as they dissect the US presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Plus, the federal government proposes new hate speech laws.
  

Unfortunately, Willo dominates threads and then claims victimhood status when called out on his shtick.

What is hilarious is being labelled a leftie if you challenge him.

 

[Sintiger]

I'm putting this here because I'm not sure where else it goes and I think it's a kind of political hit. And the way things are going it won't be the last.

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson Is Fatally Shot in New York City: Live Updates

The executive, Brian Thompson, was shot in what the police described as a “brazen targeted attack” outside a hotel where the company was holding an investor meeting. The assailant was last spotted in Central Park, investigators said at a news conference.

www.nytimes.com

It's impossible to know right now but it could be someone who has had some medical issue not covered by the insurer. These health insurers in the US hold enormous power

 

[spook]

It's impossible to know right now but it could be someone who has had some medical issue not covered by the insurer. These health insurers in the US hold enormous power

Yeah. Or someone whose mother died because this bloke's company denied her life-saving medical treatment, or wanted $1.6m for it. The assassination of a 'Have' by a 'Have-Not'. Political.

 

[Sintiger]

I am not really up on South Korea but I do remember a couple of things from studies way back.

It used to be a truism that corrupt countries do not succeed in developing. That one went out the window when all the corruption in South Korea was exposed at the same time as South Korea was being touted as one of the Asian Tigers.

Then there is the argument that somehow the development of South Korea was a miracle of the free market. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think it was back in the 1950s or 1960s, but the government at the time locked up some of the heads of the Chaebols (not certain on the spelling) and basically told them to invest productively or this would be their new home. South Korea built strategic industries. Ship building is a classic example. They ignored the advice of the likes of the IMF and World Bank, sent people over to Scotland to see how ships were built, and built their own ship building industry. They don't make ships in Scotland any more. Classic case of directed development.

I have seen a little on the current situation but not familiar enough with it. The President declaring marshal law was particularly stupid in a country which has memory of military dictatorships. I'm surprised he hasn't resigned yet, looks like he will be impeached if he doesn't.

DS

Corruption is pretty much a staple in all developing countries so I am not sure who came up with that truism, maybe someone who has never lived and worked in a developing country. As a country becomes more developed corruption tends to be reduced over time.

The Chaebols dominated South Korean business for a long time and still do to an extent, but it is a far more diversified economy these days.

I recently was involved in seeing a study on a hospital in Seoul that is one of the most digitally advanced in the world, almost paperless. Samsung is in the name of the hospital but i am not sure of their involvement exactly, certainly a lot of the technology is developed with them.

 

[Nico]

It's impossible to know right now but it could be someone who has had some medical issue not covered by the insurer. These health insurers in the US hold enormous power

I'd bet my bottom dollar that's the case. The heath insurance execs receive bonuses based on the number of claims they reject. As medical expenses is the largest reason for bankruptcies in the US, someone had enough and got payback.

Michael Moore's 2007 doco Sicko shone a light on this.

 

[Ralphie]

Not when you're supposedly having conversations n discussing different opinions with someone else. La La La click, how

I don't engage with imbeciles and rapist lovers in person either, I walk away so if its something you like to do "good on you" but me "nah"

 

[tigersnake]

Trump withdrew his DEA appointee because of supporter backlash that he isn't crazy bible bashing cooker enough.

 

[Redford]

Yeah. Or someone whose mother died because this bloke's company denied her life-saving medical treatment, or wanted $1.6m for it. The assassination of a 'Have' by a 'Have-Not'. Political.

Given it appears to be a contracted killing dunno if it's necessarily a have-not. I sense the opposite ie money+corruption. Or, at least a highly disgruntled insured person with enough cash to pay for the hit.