Chelsea said:
i disagree. he may be socially 'progressive' (at least compared to many in the Libs), but economically he is on the Libs side.
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i disagree. he may be socially 'progressive' (at least compared to many in the Libs), but economically he is on the Libs side.
Pretty hard to get a handle on where the election is at. Diff media has different results and predictions. From what I can gather it looks like the coalition will get 73-76 and ALP 68-72. Coalition should be able to form government with a couple of conservative independents, may even scrape an outright majority of 1, but more likely slim minority government.
tigersnake said:
100% they have Katter (maybe even offer him the speakers role), so they only really need 75. Perhaps someone like Rosy can tell us which way McGowan would go... I suspect LNP, but don't know for certain. Obviously Bandt will go with Labor. I can't see how Labor can form a government unless they get to 73. If they do, then Xenophon will have a decision to make.
either way, if Turnbull is able to form a government, he's gonna have a really tough time getting legislation through... which is great news for those against bringing back the Building and Construction Commissioner, the company tax cut, etc.
Ian4 said:
Cathy is very clear she won't do a deal. She is there for the people of Indi and will always go for what is best for our electorate. When questioned she said she wouldn't be interested in and wouldn't accept the speaker role if it was offered to her. She is there for one reason and that's to represent Indi.
rosy3 said:
you would hope as a member of the federal parliament she would also consider what is in the best interests of the country as a whole. which would include having a functioning (non-Lib) government.
antman said:
stating you wont block supply would be 'doing a deal' wouldn't it? i agree with the rest.
antman said:
More fundamental than technical IMO. showing your hand.
Fairfax has Lib 72 seats confirmed and in the lead in 1 for 73. ALP 67 confirmed and in the lead on 5 for 72. a couple of those leads could change and make it 1 or 2 more Lib and 1 or 2 less ALP
tigersnake said:
Geez guys, it ain't hard to understand - an independent agreeing to side with the government on the cross-benches and vote with them on all legislation is completely different to undertaking not to block supply and voting on your conscience - these are very different things.
It's likely that all independents will undertake not to block supply regardless of who can form a government. That's not "doing a deal".
*shakes head*
antman said:
Its actually the opposite. Agreeing to not block supply is number 1. That is, as they say, the real deal. That was the Oakshott and Winsdor deal that took 17 days back in 2010, not block supply but retain independence on conscience matters.
tigersnake said:
Put it this way TS. Independents can come out right now and say "I will not block supply" before either side even attempts to form a government. Xenophon did this before the last (not this) election. Now you tell me how that is "doing a deal".
Anyways, sorry to be pedantic, but there you go. It's all a bit academic as independents who blocked supply (with the opposition of course) would be pretty on the nose. It's a radical move.
antman said:
But its not pedantic, its fundamental. X man was in the senate last election, whole different shooting match.
The minority (Oakshott and Windsor in the past, X-party, Katter, Rosy's woman, Bandt) have something that the majority desperately needs. So desperate, that Abbott famously offered up 'his arse' last time around. Now call me a cynic ant, but as a long time student of politics, that seems to my pea brain to have political deal written all over it, in pretty big, dauby letters, in flouro paint.