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There's no guarantees: Bob Katter
After agreeing to support the government on supply and confidence, Queensland MP Bob Katter says there are no specific deals or written agreements.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-results-2016-malcolm-turnbull-to-form-government-as-vote-count-continues-20160706-gq07k2.html#ixzz4Dh9QPM5J
There's no guarantees: Bob Katter
After agreeing to support the government on supply and confidence, Queensland MP Bob Katter says there are no specific deals or written agreements.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/federal-election-results-2016-malcolm-turnbull-to-form-government-as-vote-count-continues-20160706-gq07k2.html#ixzz4Dh9QPM5J
Turnbull has Katter's vote on supply and confidence after handshake agreement. Katter said 'he listened very closely'. He wants, among other things, for 'union bashing' to stop. That looks to put him at definitely 74, probably 75. Looks like he needs one more Indy.
Baloo said:
I can tell you what would probably be the content of Katter's verbal 'non-specific' deal. Pay more attention to agricultural commodity dumping, increase or maintain ethanol fuels, do all you can to get Galillee basin coal mines up, and push the use of local businesses by big companies in rural areas. Probably a bit about some infrastructure in his electorate too, like sports facilities in Mt Isa.
(spent half an hour talking to him once, I like him, even if I dislike some of his policies a lot).
antman said:
shhhhhh. Don't mention that fact that sort of trading he's accused us of is common practice. Morton to the Swans etc. Throw away pick the will never be used just to help the player get to the club of choice. But being the hardcore capitalist he is, I assume TS wants everything to be a deal or trade.
antman said:
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This current media reporting of the Libs and where they went wrong, the implication being their campaign strategy was all wrong and they stuffed it up, is missing the mark IMO. Personally, I just think less people bought their policies than they thought were going to. I don't think a bigger scare campaign would have made any difference. Hopefully they take that on board when forming a government with a wafer-thin margin. Signs aren't good though.
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easy_tiger
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Didnt Mal categorically rule out any deals with greens and independents during his campaign?
"did i say categorically? I meant allegorically."
"did i say categorically? I meant allegorically."
tigersnake said:
I agree TS. I think the public didn't actually buy the "Plan for Jobs and Growth" which soon got shortened (boom-tish) to "Jobs and Growth". Having ScoMo, Cormann, Julie Bishop and Mal screaming "Jobs and Growth" into the faces of whoever was nearby got tired pretty quickly. Labor at least spared us from having a single three word slogan to scream at us constantly.
Also Labor had this - a bus with Bill Shorten's head on it
Bill's been runing around most of the week doing a Billy Sneddon - "we didn't lose we came second".
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Bill James
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76-78 seats most likely 77. Analysts have been ignoring postal trends. Flynn was a classical example should never have been given to ALP on margin of 1800 votes. Lib won the postals by 3500 last time and postals were trending about the same this time. Postal votes don't swing anywhere near as much as general votes.antman said:Looks that way. Pretty sh!tty result all roundunless you are an independent and can do some "deals"
What the loony right of the LNP are forgetting is that an election with Abbott again would have seen them decimated. The fact they won this election is because they dumped Credlin and her advisor Abbott for the top job.
The loony left always fail to realise that the prospect of being lead by hardcore unionists is just as scary as being lead by hardcore creationists.
The loony left always fail to realise that the prospect of being lead by hardcore unionists is just as scary as being lead by hardcore creationists.
antman said:Looks that way. Pretty sh!tty result all round
I think it's the best result we could have hoped for. Giving anyone a clear majority to do as they please is just asking for bad things to happen. Sure, the not as bad stuff might not eventuate either but it's the lesser of two evils.
Bill James said:
postals are nearly counted which tend to favour Lib, then its pre-poll and absentee which they haven't started counting yet, which favoured Labor last election. But yeah, it looks like they might get to 76 and have an outright majority to me too now. Worst for them is 75 plus one of a selection of independents that lean conservative, which shouldn't be a big deal for a decent leader.
Paul Keating says John Howard should 'hang his head in shame' over Iraq war
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July 7, 2016 - 8:16PM
Former Prime Minister Paul Keating has called for John Howard to "hang his head in shame" over his involvement in the Iraq War, which he says brought "the spectre of terrorism and racial strife" to Australia.
Mr Keating, a Labor Prime Minister who served for two terms and was succeeded by Mr Howard in 1996, said Mr Howard should "atone for his actions and those of his government" after a UK government report found the 2003 invasion of Iraq was based on flawed intelligence.
The Chilcot report, released on Wednesday, found the flawed intelligence should have been challenged but wasn't, and the severity of the threat posed by Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction", which were never found, was presented to the public with "a certainty that was not justified".
Despite these findings, Mr Howard joined his former British counterpart Tony Blair in defending his role in sending Australian troops to war along with British and American soldiers.
"I defend that decision. I don't retreat from it. I don't believe that, on the basis of the information that was available to me, it was the wrong decision. I really don't," Mr Howard said in a news conference in Sydney on Thursday.
Mr Howard said it was clear the Saddam Hussein regime wanted to resume its "WMD" program, while Tony Blair said he would invade Iraq again if he was put into the same situation.
On Thursday evening, Mr Keating gave a scathing assessment of Mr Howard's justification.
"Could you imagine the woebetidings of Howard and the Liberal Party, had it been Hawke or I who had committed Australia to such an un-mandated assault on another country?" Mr Keating said in a statement.
"We would never have heard the end of it. The Liberals would have been ringing their hands for decades.
"The incompetent management of Iraq following the invasion, fractured that country and with it, Syria and the region around it, casting millions adrift from their lives and homes. A sea of refugees. Yet Howard has no shame of it. And no responsibility.
"Howard has visited on Australia the whole spectre of terrorism, through his craven and ill-judged support of the United States and its invasion."
Mr Keating said Australia was "perhaps the most successful multicultural society in the world", with the settlement of a large Muslim population, but "John Howard put the torch to that".
"Now we live perpetually with the spectre of terrorism and racial strife, visited upon us by his prejudices and lack of judgment," he said.
"In the face of the Chilcot Report, John Howard should atone for his actions and those of his government. He should, at least, hang his head in shame."
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/paul-keating-says-john-howard-should-hang-his-head-in-shame-over-iraq-war-20160707-gq12fq.html
I marched in the streets of Sydney against Australia going to war in Iraq. Still makes me mad to this day.
One day I hope these 'leaders' are brought to justice.
Date
July 7, 2016 - 8:16PM
Former Prime Minister Paul Keating has called for John Howard to "hang his head in shame" over his involvement in the Iraq War, which he says brought "the spectre of terrorism and racial strife" to Australia.
Mr Keating, a Labor Prime Minister who served for two terms and was succeeded by Mr Howard in 1996, said Mr Howard should "atone for his actions and those of his government" after a UK government report found the 2003 invasion of Iraq was based on flawed intelligence.
The Chilcot report, released on Wednesday, found the flawed intelligence should have been challenged but wasn't, and the severity of the threat posed by Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction", which were never found, was presented to the public with "a certainty that was not justified".
Despite these findings, Mr Howard joined his former British counterpart Tony Blair in defending his role in sending Australian troops to war along with British and American soldiers.
"I defend that decision. I don't retreat from it. I don't believe that, on the basis of the information that was available to me, it was the wrong decision. I really don't," Mr Howard said in a news conference in Sydney on Thursday.
Mr Howard said it was clear the Saddam Hussein regime wanted to resume its "WMD" program, while Tony Blair said he would invade Iraq again if he was put into the same situation.
On Thursday evening, Mr Keating gave a scathing assessment of Mr Howard's justification.
"Could you imagine the woebetidings of Howard and the Liberal Party, had it been Hawke or I who had committed Australia to such an un-mandated assault on another country?" Mr Keating said in a statement.
"We would never have heard the end of it. The Liberals would have been ringing their hands for decades.
"The incompetent management of Iraq following the invasion, fractured that country and with it, Syria and the region around it, casting millions adrift from their lives and homes. A sea of refugees. Yet Howard has no shame of it. And no responsibility.
"Howard has visited on Australia the whole spectre of terrorism, through his craven and ill-judged support of the United States and its invasion."
Mr Keating said Australia was "perhaps the most successful multicultural society in the world", with the settlement of a large Muslim population, but "John Howard put the torch to that".
"Now we live perpetually with the spectre of terrorism and racial strife, visited upon us by his prejudices and lack of judgment," he said.
"In the face of the Chilcot Report, John Howard should atone for his actions and those of his government. He should, at least, hang his head in shame."
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/paul-keating-says-john-howard-should-hang-his-head-in-shame-over-iraq-war-20160707-gq12fq.html
I marched in the streets of Sydney against Australia going to war in Iraq. Still makes me mad to this day.
One day I hope these 'leaders' are brought to justice.