What a choice we have in Austalia. Left (Turnbull), centre Left (Shorten), far Right (Hanson) and hyperspace (Greens). If someone's gonna stab Malcolm between the shoulder blades, please make it soon.
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Talking Politics
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Turnbull is not Left. He is centre right. Shorten is centre Left. Abbott was claimed to be centre right but he was much further right than that and he constantly claimed that anyone to "his" left was "of the left". This seems to me to have been happening the world over as most political spheres have been drifting to the right. It seems to me that as societies become more posperous and "working class" transforms into "middle class" they are less likely to be fond of fundng social housing, social welfare and public schools than they were when they needed them.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Turnbull left?
Hanson just far right and the greens hyperspace? that ridiculous.
Giardiasis said:
Yes, libertarians are the true centre.
On Hanson party, it appears she can't work with 25% of it. I wonder how many people who voted for Cullerton would even know his 1st name, let alone any policy stances.
No it wouldn't, I wouldn't lie anywhere on that spectrum.antman said:Which would leave you in the centre - thanks for proving my point G-Man
jb03 said:
true. but hopefully at least people voting for a major party, or some of the other parties, have some idea of how the party will vote on issues.
the one nation party leader doesnt even know how the guy she supposedly hand picked to be her candidate will vote.
antman said:
Spectrum has since been applied by analogy to topics outside of optics. Thus, one might talk about the spectrum of political opinion, or the spectrum of activity of a drug, or the autism spectrum.
In these uses, values within a spectrum may not be associated with precisely quantifiable numbers or definitions.
Such uses imply a broad range of conditions or behaviors grouped together and studied under a single title for ease of discussion.
Thanksantman said:
When people talk of the left and the right, they refer to people that advocate government intervention into social egalitarian outcomes as leftists, and those that advocate military intervention, corporate subsidisation and socially conservative outcomes as those on the right. Not much room for those that want no intervention.
Giardiasis said:Thanks
When people talk of the left and the right, they refer to people that advocate government intervention into social egalitarian outcomes as leftists, and those that advocate military intervention, corporate subsidisation and socially conservative outcomes as those on the right. Not much room for those that want no intervention.
Both the extreme left and extreme right land at no government, so I'd say that is your special place on the spectrum.
Explain to me what the extreme left and the extreme right advocate in your opinion then.lamb22 said:
The extreme right and extreme left have the same objective - No government and maximum freedom.
The destinations they find are different because of their different views on human nature.
The rightists will find a might is right society where the strongest (or smartest or less scrupulous or less ethical or malevolent or most cunning) rule the roost. Property belongs to those who take it. Weakness is an invitation to others to challenge for property (which of course includes women). The less dominant know their place in the world and work to the will of the strong. No PC bitching about "slavery bad" or minority persecutions. No welfare for the weak or needy. No biased ABC.
The leftists believe that we have a propensity for good and given the right environment our best natures will deliver Nirvana. Humans will decide to operate collectively and co-operatively to their common benefit. Whilst there is no government and people are free to do as they wish it is expected that most land is owned collectively and that compliance with good behaviour is driven both internally by the better side of our nature and common mores and approval of friends and family. etc. Discipline is handed out communally and by consensus.
Take your pick on which libertarian utopia you prefer or think most likely.
The destinations they find are different because of their different views on human nature.
The rightists will find a might is right society where the strongest (or smartest or less scrupulous or less ethical or malevolent or most cunning) rule the roost. Property belongs to those who take it. Weakness is an invitation to others to challenge for property (which of course includes women). The less dominant know their place in the world and work to the will of the strong. No PC bitching about "slavery bad" or minority persecutions. No welfare for the weak or needy. No biased ABC.
The leftists believe that we have a propensity for good and given the right environment our best natures will deliver Nirvana. Humans will decide to operate collectively and co-operatively to their common benefit. Whilst there is no government and people are free to do as they wish it is expected that most land is owned collectively and that compliance with good behaviour is driven both internally by the better side of our nature and common mores and approval of friends and family. etc. Discipline is handed out communally and by consensus.
Take your pick on which libertarian utopia you prefer or think most likely.
Neither are libertarian.lamb22 said:
Your extreme right involves government, just the government of dictators. Not libertarian.
Your extreme left is against private property (the very bedrock of libertarianism), and how would they achieve that? Surely there'd have to resort to violence, which in affect is government again.
Giardiasis said:
You've got some seriously *smile* up *smile* going on Gia, Stay off the fake news sites and red cordial anti government brigaders.
For the records I was a libertarian way before you discovered it and private property is not a pre-requisite. In those days we were called anarchists.
I have mellowed a fair bit.
lamb22 said:
Sounds like something I heard about once. What happened to all the hippies, anyway?