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lamb22 said:
You've got some seriously *smile*ed up sh!t going on Gia, Stay off the fake news sites and red cordial anti government brigaders.

For the records I was a libertarian way before you discovered it and private property is not a pre-requisite. In those days we were called anarchists.

I have mellowed a fair bit.
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Well then you were/are under the wrong impression. The NAP and private property rights have always been the core tenets of libertarianism. Maybe the drug discussion thread is more relevant to your state of mind back in the day and since you've mellowed out?
 
Giardiasis said:
Well then you were/are under the wrong impression. The NAP and private property rights have always been the core tenets of libertarianism. Maybe the drug discussion thread is more relevant to your state of mind back in the day and since you've mellowed out?
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Just because you discovered a new toy you cant rewrite the past although I know that is in fact the objective for right wingers.

Libertarianism is broader than your psycho babble fetish version. I know though that you think that since you have appropriated this new word it can mean anything you want it to, Possum. Post fact world and all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
 
lamb22 said:
Just because you discovered a new toy you cant rewrite the past although I know that is in fact the objective for right wingers.

Libertarianism is broader than your psycho babble fetish version. I know though that you think that since you have appropriated this new word it can mean anything you want it to, Possum. Post fact world and all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
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Ah, I forgot about the anarcho-communists. Yeah I guess they were the first to use libertarian as a word. Please forgive me possum (I'll appropriate that one too).

P.S. You believed in anarcho-communism/socialism/syndicalism? :rofl
 
Giardiasis said:
Ah, I forgot about the anarcho-communists. Yeah I guess they were the first to use libertarian as a word. Please forgive me possum (I'll appropriate that one too).

P.S. You believed in anarcho-communism/socialism/syndicalism? :rofl
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You need to read wider and better. BTW your love child of the Austrian school started a publication called left/right and drew from the libertarianism of earlier Americans and primarily of the left.

You can find libertarian strands in Locke, Rousseau and the French revolution.

Your philosophical limitations in viewing the world as socialism bad/capitalism good are seriously exposed in this discussion.

However they make you a perfect candidate for Secretary of State in a Trump administration. Huzzaahhh!!
 
lamb22 said:
You need to read wider and better. BTW your love child of the Austrian school started a publication called left/right and drew from the libertarianism of earlier Americans and primarily of the left.

You can find libertarian strands in Locke, Rousseau and the French revolution.

Your philosophical limitations in viewing the world as socialism bad/capitalism good are seriously exposed in this discussion.

However they make you a perfect candidate for Secretary of State in a Trump administration. Huzzaahhh!!
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Interesting given I'm not a Trump supporter. Perhaps you can suggest such wider and better readings? Always interested to see how violent coercion to stop people acting peacefully can be justified.
 
Giardiasis said:
Interesting given I'm not a Trump supporter. Perhaps you can suggest such wider and better readings? Always interested to see how violent coercion to stop people acting peacefully can be justified.
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Que?

Really Gia, why would a real libertarian propose let alone justify violent coercion against people acting peacefully?
 
Giardiasis said:
Another take on the left-right divide:
http://vulgarlibertarians.com/right-and-left-libertarians-are-oxymorons/
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You are talking about this bloke right?

Mises wrote in the 1927 book:

"It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization."
 
lamb22 said:
You are talking about this bloke right?

Mises wrote in the 1927 book:

"It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization."
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Mises was a fascist sympathiser? :rofl

I think you need to read wider and better! For starters, read the whole passage.
 
I pay my tax bill so no issue with Kelly O'Dwyer targeting black market cash economies who avoid it. Cash businesses are a pet hate of mine & the sooner society gets rid of physical notes/coins the better IMO.
Just make sure to tax big business too.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I pay my tax bill so no issue with Kelly O'Dwyer targeting black market cash economies who avoid it. Cash businesses are a pet hate of mine & the sooner society gets rid of physical notes/coins the better IMO.
Just make sure to tax big business too.
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Agree to a certain extent. There is probably a better return if the effort and expense to tackle the cash economy went into pulling the tax owed from big business though. Once those returns start to diminish, focus on the next big bucket of tax avoidance which is property investing. Then your cash economy is probably next.

Welfare cheats/scammers are a different kettle of fish. They should be targeted 24x7, 365 days a year.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I pay my tax bill so no issue with Kelly O'Dwyer targeting black market cash economies who avoid it. Cash businesses are a pet hate of mine & the sooner society gets rid of physical notes/coins the better IMO.
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As an example My wife pays our lawn mower $140 cash to mow the lawns (we live on 5 acres), takes him 90 minutes. $93 an hour. I on the other hand get $35 an hour less tax ie $26 an hour.

And if you're wondering why I don't do it myself she won't let me! "You wouldn't do as good a job as him".
 
I had a quote from one of the Jim's franchises.
But it was 10% cheaper for cash.
So I took the cash option then rang Jim's to inform them.
I hope the b*stard lost his franchise.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I pay my tax bill so no issue with Kelly O'Dwyer targeting black market cash economies who avoid it. Cash businesses are a pet hate of mine & the sooner society gets rid of physical notes/coins the better IMO.
Just make sure to tax big business too.
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Cool so you'll be happy to cop negative interest rates then on your deposits?
 
poppa x said:
I had a quote from one of the Jim's franchises.
But it was 10% cheaper for cash.
So I took the cash option then rang Jim's to inform them.
I hope the b*stard lost his franchise.
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Why would you do that? Better for all parties.

But you should get a bigger discount than simply the GST, as they are not paying any income tax at all on the cash in hand earned
 
jb03 said:
Why would you do that? Better for all parties.

But you should get a bigger discount than simply the GST, as they are not paying any income tax at all on the cash in hand earned
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Agree. Should be looking for at least 20-25% off for cash.
 
So the minister who had her snout in the trough is being replaced in cabinet by a senator who had to step down because he is being investigated for his extraordinary memory failures in the ICAC enquiries.

At least Malcolm is keeping a balanced cabinet in regards to suspicion of corruption even though he is having trouble getting a gender balance there.
 
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