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tigersnake said:
big call G. The only time its worth watching are the rare times when they don't have Liberal hack to the right and Labor hack to the left jibbering and jabbering and trying to score points.

Yep. I don't watch panel shows of any variety any more, they're just pointless. Everyone just trying to get their point in before someone talks over them. There's no meaningful debate as the topic moves on so quickly from either the host or someone blurting out their POV.
 
tigertim said:
Yep. I don't watch panel shows of any variety any more, they're just pointless. Everyone just trying to get their point in before someone talks over them. There's no meaningful debate as the topic moves on so quickly from either the host or someone blurting out their POV.

agree.
 
tigertim said:
Yep. I don't watch panel shows of any variety any more, they're just pointless. Everyone just trying to get their point in before someone talks over them. There's no meaningful debate as the topic moves on so quickly from either the host or someone blurting out their POV.

I watched Q and A up to about 2 years ago, albeit with duct tape over the inane twitter feed across the bottom of the screen. And then, yeah, I dont watch at all.

Like you say, they assemble a bunch of self-promoters to interrupt each other, trying to get a sound bit that will have everyone googling their name for 20 minutes. :P
 
The one small hope that made a Trump presidency marginally better than a Clinton presidency was the lower chance for foreign entanglements. Well looks like Trump has been sucked in by the neo-cons. What a debacle.
 
Giardiasis said:
The one small hope that made a Trump presidency marginally better than a Clinton presidency was the lower chance for foreign entanglements. Well looks like Trump has been sucked in by the neo-cons. What a debacle.

As predicted, Trump and advisors just don't know what they are doing. This has meant that the Pentagon and US military have largely been running the show and escalating involvements anyway given the absence of leadership.

Trump has committed to massively increasing the US military budget by USD54 billion even though the US military is already resourced better than the next seven countries combined - China, Russia, the UK, Japan, Saudi Arabia, etc. So more tax dollars being spent on this largely through cuts to other agencies/government spending. IF he can get his tax cuts through.

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Trump is a populist - so he'll do whatever he thinks makes him look good. So despite saying for the last three years the US should get out of Syria, outrage over a chemical gas attack leads him to blame Obama for not intervening in in Syria more strongly, and may lead to an escalation of US military intervention in Syria.

Mind you, his whole administration seems so incompetent they'll probably forget about this over the next news cycle and go back to yelling at the MSM and bickering amongst themselves again.

At least Steve Bannon is off the NSC. Again because Trump was angered by the all the "President Bannon" references, and not for any logical reason.

Good times.
 
Giardiasis said:
https://mishtalk.com/2017/04/06/trump-launches-airstrike-on-syria-issues-statement-trump-then-and-now/

i havent read the link, (doesnt work) but i m guessing it shows Trump contradicting himself? well, i for one am shocked.
next thing we will hear Pauline tells lies!
 
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/andrews-government-talks-down-melbourne-airport-rail-as-pm-pledges-cash-20170406-gvfmxn.html

Andrews government talks down Melbourne Airport rail as PM pledges cash
Adam Carey, Richard Willingham April 7 2017 - 11:55AM0

The Andrews government has welcomed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's new interest in building a rail link to Melbourne Airport, but played down the project's urgency, arguing the best advice is it won't be needed for another 15 to 30 years.

Melbourne Airport rail was listed as a mid to long-term project in Infrastructure Victoria's recent 30-year planning blueprint for the state.

The Andrews government has said it is happy to be guided by that independent advice and has made no commitment to build a rail line to the airport.

"The independent Infrastructure Victoria report that was released late last year indicated that an airport rail link is needed within the next 15 to 30 years and we certainly want to work towards achieving that," Victoria's Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan Ms Allan told ABC Radio on Friday morning.

Despite warnings of worsening Tullamarine traffic, the Andrews government has made no commitment to a rail line to the ...
Government warned Melbourne Metro won't support future airport rail link

This is despite recent warnings from Melbourne Airport that its visitor numbers are growing so fast that it expects the Tullamarine Freeway will choke with traffic well before then.

The airport expects to welcome 64 million passengers a year 15 years from now, almost double the current volume.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said he was a "big supporter" of rail and that it was an "omission" that Melbourne did not have an airport rail line.

"It's very important to have more rail, particularly now in our big cities as they become more densely settled but we're talking to colleagues about our infrastructure priorities," Mr Turnbull said.

But he would not be drawn on specific details ahead of the budget when questioned on 3AW morning radio.

Federal Transport Minister Darren Chester, who is also the member for Gippsland, has been in talks with his state counterpart Jacinta Allan.

Fairfax Media understands that planning work is well advanced to upgrade the Gippsland rail corridor, a train line that services the Latrobe Valley, which has been hard hit by the closure of the Hazelwood power station.

The intervention from Canberra to use the asset-recycling cash on the airport rail link has frustrated many in the Andrews government, who want the $1.45 billion Victoria is entitled to spent on infrastructure projects that are shovel-ready.

There is also frustration that the Turnbull government is dictating how the entitlement should be spent when other state governments, particularly NSW, are given much more freedom to spend their allocation from the scheme.

Under Treasurer Joe Hockey the asset-recycling scheme was set up to make a payment to the state of an extra 15 per cent of any privatisation sales made, which could be reinvested into critical infrastructure.

But when Victoria sold the Port of Melbourne for $9.7 billion the Turnbull government said it would only pay an agreed $877 million to the project, of which the vast majority was to be spent on Melbourne Metro rail.

Since then there has been haggling over Victoria seeking its full entitlement of $1.45 billion to spend on projects it sees fit.

In March, Melbourne Airport told The Age: "We need a detailed study into feasible solutions now because construction will take a decade and realistically the solution will need to be operational in the next 10 to 15 years."

Money for an airport rail link is expected to feature in the April federal budget, along with an injection of cash for an upgrade of fault-prone regional rail lines to Warrnambool, Gippsland and Albury, News Corp reported on Friday.

Ms Allan said Melbourne's rail network could not support an airport rail line until the Melbourne Metro tunnel is completed in 2026.

"We welcome the Commonwealth's interest in the Airport Rail Link, and look forward to working with them to advance a business case on this project, which can't be built until the completion of the Metro Tunnel," Ms Allan said.

"We also welcome their interest in regional rail, after months of working to convince the Turnbull government that investing in regional rail and public transport was worthwhile. We now hope to work with them to get even more shovels in the ground in Victoria's regions."

The former Napthine government spent $6.5 million on a feasibility study into an airport rail link, which recommended it should take a dogleg route via Sunshine station and the Albion-Jacana spur line used by trains between Melbourne and Sydney.

It also found the Melbourne Metro tunnel would need to be up and running before an airport link could be supported.

But some experts fear Melbourne Metro will be too crowded out by trains on the fast-growing Sunbury and Melton lines to ever support an airport rail link.

In March, Ms Allan was briefed on a proposal for a separate airport rail tunnel between Southern Cross Station and Sunshine, which would make for a 15-minute trip between the city and the airport.

The Air Train proposal, developed by the Rail Futures Institute, would also need a dedicated fleet of trains designed for airport travellers. The project has an estimated price tag of more than $5 billion.

god this makes me so angry!!! there is no way in the world that any future LNP government (state or federal) will fund one cent towards this project when its ready to be built. Turnbull knows this can't be built before the metro rail is competed but trots out the line anyway because the plebs will eat it up. more populist *smile* from this terrible PM.
 
Giardiasis said:
The one small hope that made a Trump presidency marginally better than a Clinton presidency was the lower chance for foreign entanglements. Well looks like Trump has been sucked in by the neo-cons. What a debacle.

Yep what a debacle. Could well be a false flag, ISIS, or accident. Trump either got sucked in by the warmongering neo cons or he's one of them. Graham and mccain applauding the attacks. Clinton also saying they should attack before trump took action. Shouldn't come as a surprise that the pentagon and the deep state/intels run the show.

Little reason asaad would use chemical weapons on the rebels as syria russia and iran have everything under control. Much greater chance of a false flag.

Interesting how this pans out.
 
Harry wins the tin foil hat award for the day.

If Trump's such a genius and is the enemy of the Deep State, surely he and Bannon would have anticipated it.
 
Spot on Harry, people just don't want to see the bleeding obvious and have too much faith in the MSM and the political establishment. The false flag is clearly the most likely of possibilites.
 
Giardiasis said:
Spot on Harry, people just don't want to see the bleeding obvious and have too much faith in the MSM and the political establishment. The false flag is clearly the most likely of possibilites.

OK G-Man wins the tin foil hat award for the day, sorry Hazza. Or you can share it.