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Maybe Gary's mate Kevin could run. Would have similar qualifications to a lot of the member's of the house, if you know what I mean??tigersnake said:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-liberal-party-is-teetering-on-the-brink-of-extinction-20180823-p4zzbb.html
Very good article written by Cate McGregor in the Age today about longer term trends within the Liberal Party. I tend to agree with a good portion of this article. There is less and less in common between the moderate and conservative wings of the party and longer term, I think it's conceivable that they will split. Perhaps in hind site, Corey Bernardi splitting to form his own party was the start of this process. The question I'd have though, is whether the conservative political forces would ever form a united force - or many splintered groups.
Because, despite cliches and caricatures often put forward to describe conservatives, there is a very wide ranging spectrum of the types of conservatives that exist. For example, Rachel Carling-Jenkins who sits in the upper House in Victoria was originally elected under the DLP banner, defected and joined Corey Bernardi's party, but that relationship didn't last long and she's now an independent. She is a VERY different type of conservative than a Bernardi or Dutton. Obviously she has very conservative views on certain social issues, but at the same time, has a very strong focus on social justice, such as looking after the vulnerable, such as the poor, elderly, disabled, refugees etc. - to me she seems very stereotypical of the traditional DLP types who split from the ALP (I suppose they see themselves living the charitable Christian ethic). I can't ever see such divergent conservative groups uniting.
In saying that, I don't see the ALP as an overly unified force. There is quite a fracturing between the left and the right of the party. As Waleed Aly commented in one of his critiques a year or so ago. The current party makeup is not really representative of current societal realities. If you were starting from year zero now, the historical legacy parties we have now, would not exist. More likely, the right of the Libs would join various splintered right wing and conservative groups. The left of the ALP would join forces with the moderates of the Greens and the radical left of the Greens would form their own splintered Marxist type groups. You are then left with the moderates of the Libs and the right of the ALP to form a broad based centrist party.
Very good article written by Cate McGregor in the Age today about longer term trends within the Liberal Party. I tend to agree with a good portion of this article. There is less and less in common between the moderate and conservative wings of the party and longer term, I think it's conceivable that they will split. Perhaps in hind site, Corey Bernardi splitting to form his own party was the start of this process. The question I'd have though, is whether the conservative political forces would ever form a united force - or many splintered groups.
Because, despite cliches and caricatures often put forward to describe conservatives, there is a very wide ranging spectrum of the types of conservatives that exist. For example, Rachel Carling-Jenkins who sits in the upper House in Victoria was originally elected under the DLP banner, defected and joined Corey Bernardi's party, but that relationship didn't last long and she's now an independent. She is a VERY different type of conservative than a Bernardi or Dutton. Obviously she has very conservative views on certain social issues, but at the same time, has a very strong focus on social justice, such as looking after the vulnerable, such as the poor, elderly, disabled, refugees etc. - to me she seems very stereotypical of the traditional DLP types who split from the ALP (I suppose they see themselves living the charitable Christian ethic). I can't ever see such divergent conservative groups uniting.
In saying that, I don't see the ALP as an overly unified force. There is quite a fracturing between the left and the right of the party. As Waleed Aly commented in one of his critiques a year or so ago. The current party makeup is not really representative of current societal realities. If you were starting from year zero now, the historical legacy parties we have now, would not exist. More likely, the right of the Libs would join various splintered right wing and conservative groups. The left of the ALP would join forces with the moderates of the Greens and the radical left of the Greens would form their own splintered Marxist type groups. You are then left with the moderates of the Libs and the right of the ALP to form a broad based centrist party.
easy said:
One of the Lib members said that Turnbull has just given these guys olive branch after olive branch, with the end result they stuck it up his arse. For all his faults I think Turnbull is a talented man - but he squandered that talent absolutely in his term as PM. Purely focused on staying in power and as a result of appeasing the far Right got almost nothing done.
I'll give him the Marriage Equality plebescite even though it was Tone's idea as a means of delaying any action. Strangely western civilisation hasn't collapsed yet as the social conservatives warned us it would, even as the Liberal party has self-destructed. I feel for the Nats in all this - they must be shaking their heads now that even a slim chance of winning the next election looks totally sunk. Actually screw the Nats as well.
Tagomi said:Hilarious result. Replace one ineffectual moderate with another. I guess even the Libs know that Dutton is electoral suicide, so ScoMo does a Bradbury
Yep, only voted in because he polls higher than Shorten, with Mr Potato Head stinking up all polls as preferred PM.
Tagomi said:Hilarious result. Replace one ineffectual moderate with another. I guess even the Libs know that Dutton is electoral suicide, so ScoMo does a Bradbury
Yes it's a hilarious result, looking forward to seeing Abbott and Dutton sitting together on the back bench. That is unless ScoMo gives him, and he accepts a portfolio, surely not.
Panthera Tigris said:
Disagree in that I reckon Turnbull tried to govern for everyone (and has ended up liked by no-one).
New leader needs to make Libs' values and goals clear and invite everyone to come on the journey. Not everyone will, of course. We're more divided than we've ever been.
tigerman said:
Some said that Turnbull should have given Abbott a portfolio to keep him quiet. Dunno if it would have worked... Good to see the hard right get smacked in the face again. Well done boys, you couldn't even execute the coup properly.
Sad to see J-Bish getting the flick as well. Just kidding, not sad at all.
Frydenberg I don't mind - will be interesting to see if this revives the NEG again or whether they'll still want to appease the culture warriors who want to spend government money building new coal fired power plants - *smile* the free market after all.
He'd be more a cricket guy I think - which would be ironic as his innings will finish at about the same time as the Australian summer of Cricket. Then he'll 3 long years in the field to think about whether it was really worth playing up the order for a season.Baloo said: