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tigersnake said:
Good work Bullus_hit. I saddled up for a crack at G-man years ago over a few different issues, climate change being the main one. Frustratingly pointless. Gets done like a dinner but refuses to accept it or doesn't understand whats happening and just goes 'non-sequiter, ad hominem, logical fallacy' in response to every point. Its a sick joke.
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Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good at chess you are, the pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, then *smile* all over the board, then struts around like it won. You really are painfully ironic.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
I can feel the frustration burning off the page. Gia really does get people going, me included, especially on Climate Change. I think the main problem is that he is happy to defend his Austrian School to the hilt even though he is arguing from a purely theoretical standpoint while his interlocutors are looking at real world situations and trying to figure a way to get to somewhere better from where we now stand. (Of course this leads us down yet another rabbit hole of empiricism vs an invention of Mises to avoid empiricism). Gia doesn't want to "burn it all down" but the rest of us can't see how his ideas could be implemented without first dismantling all of the government systems (and maybe all of government?) we all rely on. But if that isn't what he is proposing, we can't figure out what he is proposing and thus what the point of all this aggravation might be?
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The frustration stems from people that only converse with people that agree with them and then find it astonishing to have someone challenge their world view. Notice how the usual suspects all feel the need to back up their pals with cheer leading instead of just responding to arguments?

Your claim that I only deal with theory while everyone else deals with reality is crap as everyone here is dealing in theory to a large extent, but history backs up austrian economics if you want to bring empiricism into it. I have said it many times, there is no such thing as good in theory bad in practice. If it is bad in practice, it is bad theory. Mises didn't invent praxeology to avoid empiricism, he directly took empiricism on. Either directly address his arguments or shut up and stop this laziness.

Clearly the system I propose can't be implemented overnight as the system we have today wasn't implemented overnight. When the US introduced income taxation, it was nowhere near the level it is today because people saw it is a gross violation of their rights. The 16th amendment had to be signed for income taxation to even be legal. Slowly but surely the US government has increased it's powers of taxation, as the Australian government has done. I think the best way for libertarian ideas to be put into wider practice is for the breakdown of large central governments into smaller units. I think this will happen naturally as we are seeing examples of secession movements such as Catalonia, Scotland and California, but Brexit is another.
 
Giardiasis said:
Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good at chess you are, the pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, then sh!ts all over the board, then struts around like it won. You really are painfully ironic.
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Citation missing?
 
Giardiasis said:
The frustration stems from people that only converse with people that agree with them and then find it astonishing to have someone challenge their world view. Notice how the usual suspects all feel the need to back up their pals with cheer leading instead of just responding to arguments?
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That is your interpretation. I see kindred spirits applying the soothing balm of mateship and camaraderie.

Your claim that I only deal with theory while everyone else deals with reality is crap as everyone here is dealing in theory to a large extent, but history backs up austrian economics if you want to bring empiricism into it. I have said it many times, there is no such thing as good in theory bad in practice. If it is bad in practice, it is bad theory. Mises didn't invent praxeology to avoid empiricism, he directly took empiricism on. Either directly address his arguments or shut up and stop this laziness.
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I'm not debating Mises, I'm debating you. It is your ideas I am interested in, not your regurgitations of Mises. Your rejection of empiricism forces you into a position based in theory. That is your problem Gia, not mine. The fact that this anti-empiricism idea isn't taken seriously is damning of it as a concept.

Clearly the system I propose can't be implemented overnight as the system we have today wasn't implemented overnight. When the US introduced income taxation, it was nowhere near the level it is today because people saw it is a gross violation of their rights. The 16th amendment had to be signed for income taxation to even be legal. Slowly but surely the US government has increased it's powers of taxation, as the Australian government has done. I think the best way for libertarian ideas to be put into wider practice is for the breakdown of large central governments into smaller units. I think this will happen naturally as we are seeing examples of secession movements such as Catalonia, Scotland and California, but Brexit is another.
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None of those have been terribly successful to date. Globalism has worked, by and large, and it's tendrils are hard to shake. This is why Brexit has hit so many snags. Trade is interconnected on every level. California could go it alone given its size. But I suspect it would be a capitalist, globalist, socialist state. Taxation is essentially socialist in nature. It is redistribution of wealth to help ensure a rising tide does indeed lift all boats.
 
Giardiasis said:
Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good at chess you are, the pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, then sh!ts all over the board, then struts around like it won. You really are painfully ironic.
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Coming from you I take that as a compliment.
 
Isnt it ironiiiiiiiiic (hold note for 4 bars),

When you play chess like a pigeon?
 
Giardiasis said:
.... playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good at chess you are, the pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, then sh!ts all over the board, then struts around like it won.
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If anyone was looking for the Tony Abbott modus operandi, the chess playing pigeon is spot on.

Now that's ironic!
 
I was surprised so many Liberal members spoke to Four Corners last night.

Was quite a well-balanced show I thought.

Either way, Libs are cooked for the next 15 years. No one will forgive them for last week and they are being squeezed by voters from both far right and centre for the hair-brain compromised policies while in government.
 
TigerFlag2017 said:
I was surprised so many Liberal members spoke to Four Corners last night.

Was quite a well-balanced show I thought.

Either way, Libs are cooked for the next 15 years. No one will forgive them for last week and they are being squeezed by voters from both far right and centre for the hair-brain compromised policies while in government.
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Their only real chance is to go far right, trump-style. Which wont be too difficult an adjustment for them, especially with that marxist merchant banker out of the way.

They'lle roll through North Queensland in a bus blazoned with 'burn coal - shoot crocs - build a wall'

when they go through the Victoria, they'lle cross out Crocs and paint 'Africans'.

through NSW they'lle switch to 'ban the drought - drain the Murray'

In WA, it'll be 'fair go for the west - more mines - jail blacks'

No idea what they'lle say in Adelaide? Maybe they'lle preselect Warren Tredrea?

they wont even bother going to the Territory.
 
Yep... Morro has caved in to the Right Wing Culture Warriors within two days of becoming PM.

And I bet they'll still white-ant him, just like they did to Turnbull.
 
Ahhhh Donald Trump, the gift that just keeps giving!

Did anyone see his attack on the 'left wing Google search results'? He even lead with this in a fundraising campaign.

You can't make this stuff-up!
 
K3 said:
Ahhhh Donald Trump, the gift that just keeps giving!

Did anyone see his attack on the 'left wing Google search results'? He even lead with this in a fundraising campaign.

You can't make this stuff-up!
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On the one hand its ridiculous, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck. The stories paint him in a poor light becuase he is poor, to say the least. On the other hand this is just in keeping with a modus operandi that has largely worked to maintain his support, shoot the messenger, discredit the press, vilify and chase down any critics regardless of the merit of their claims.
 
tigersnake said:
On the one hand its ridiculous, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck. The stories paint him in a poor light becuase he is poor, to say the least. On the other hand this is just in keeping with a modus operandi that has largely worked to maintain his support, shoot the messenger, discredit the press, vilify and chase down any critics regardless of the merit of their claims.
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This has been his tactic, say something controversial & get the mass media to look over here, then he goes about pushing through highly controversial legislation. The news cycle has missed plenty - allowing animal trophies to be imported, propping up the asbestos industry, allowing companies to dump waste in rivers etc. The problem is when the media gets bored Trump just throws out some more nonsense. People need to stop taking the bait.
 
bullus_hit said:
This has been his tactic, say something controversial & get the mass media to look over here, then he goes about pushing through highly controversial legislation. The news cycle has missed plenty - allowing animal trophies to be imported, propping up the asbestos industry, allowing companies to dump waste in rivers etc. The problem is when the media gets bored Trump just throws out some more nonsense. People need to stop taking the bait.
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Gotta love the Ruskies. Asbestos waiting to get green light for 'Murka:

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(not photoshopped, real deal)
 
Trump has got the EPA to soften the rules for handling Asbestos. It is no longer completely banned. You can apply for a permit to import it. "So" I hear you ask, "Who decides the validity of your application?". Well! The person recently appointed to this position is a former lobbyist for.....drum role please.....asbestos.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
Trump has got the EPA to soften the rules for handling Asbestos. It is no longer completely banned. You can apply for a permit to import it. "So" I hear you ask, "Who decides the validity of your application?". Well! The person recently appointed to this position is a former lobbyist for.....drum role please.....asbestos.
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A softening of policy in relation to Mexicans is imminent.
 
ScoMo at the match drinking a beer with Tehan, who is a mad Tiger.

Might be one of the best PMs we've had in a long time.
 
Baloo said:
ScoMo at the match drinking a beer with Tehan, who is a mad Tiger.

Might be one of the best PMs we've had in a long time.
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Hopefully he loosens the purse strings for the proposed PRO upgrades
 
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