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So Dutton sacked Mr Quaedvlieg because he gave a border force job to his girlfriend.

After the Au Pair visa incidents, and now news that he pressed the then Customs chief Quaedvlieg to help two former Queensland policemen mates get jobs in the Border Force, it's time he applied the same standards to himself and quit politics.
 
Holy cow... I am pretty much speechless at this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell-us-officials-they-have-audio-and-video-recordings-that-support-conclusion-khashoggi-was-killed/2018/10/11/119a119e-cd88-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9bbc31bef282

By Shane Harris ,
Souad Mekhennet ,
John Hudson and
Anne Gearan October 11 at 7:36 PM
The Turkish government has told U.S. officials that it has audio and video recordings that prove Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul this month, according to U.S. and Turkish officials.

The recordings show that a Saudi security team detained Khashoggi in the consulate after he walked in Oct. 2 to obtain an official document before his upcoming wedding, then killed him and dismembered his body, the officials said.

The audio recording in particular provides some of the most persuasive and gruesome evidence that the Saudi team is responsible for Khashoggi’s death, the officials said.

“The voice recording from inside the embassy lays out what happened to Jamal after he entered,” said one person with knowledge of the recording who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss highly sensitive intelligence.

“You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic,” this person said. “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.”

A second person briefed on the recording said men could be heard beating Khashoggi.

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Sen. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.), co-author of the Magnitsky Act, hopes Trump will use it to punish Saudi officials if they're to blame for missing journalist. (Rhonda Colvin, Jason Aldag, Joyce Lee/The Washington Post)

The journalist has had long-standing ties to the Saudi royal family, but has written critically of the current government and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The existence of such evidence would explain why Turkish officials were quick to blame Saudi Arabia for Khashoggi’s killing. But Turkish officials are wary of releasing the recordings, fearing they could divulge how the Turks spy on foreign entities in their country, the officials said.

It’s not clear that U.S. officials have seen the footage or listened to the audio, but Turkish officials have described their contents to their American counterparts.

Saudi officials have denied any involvement in the disappearance of Khashoggi, saying he left the consulate shortly after entering.

Video claims to show chain of events in Istanbul on day of Khashoggi's disappearance
A video obtained by The Washington Post purports to show events in Istanbul on the day journalist Jamal Khashoggi disappeared. (The Washington Post)

Turkey said Thursday it has agreed to a request by Saudi Arabia to form a joint committee to probe what happened to Khashoggi.

Mohammed has billed himself as a reformer and moderating force in the country, and he has become a key strategic partner in particular to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser.

Kushner has tried to promote Mohammed to skeptical national security officials, who have long viewed him as an impetuous and ruthless leader who has an overly simplistic view of the complex challenges the United States faces in the Middle East.

During a bill signing Thursday in the Oval Office, President Trump called Khashoggi’s suspected murder “a terrible thing,” but stopped short of assigning blame.

“We’re looking at it very strongly,” Trump said. “We’ll be having a report out soon. We’re working with Turkey, we’re working with Saudi Arabia. What happened is a terrible thing, assuming that happened. I mean, maybe we’ll be pleasantly surprised, but somehow I tend to doubt it.”

Within the White House, on Capitol Hill and among U.S. intelligence officials there is a growing belief that Khashoggi is dead and that Saudi Arabia is to blame.

That conclusion is driven in part by U.S. intelligence reports before Khashoggi’s disappearance that show Mohammed ordered an operation to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, where he was to be detained. U.S. officials familiar with the reports described them to The Washington Post.

One U.S. official said there was no intelligence that showed the Saudis wanted to lure Khashoggi to the consulate in Istanbul. Intelligence officials and experts have speculated in recent days that the 15-man Saudi security team that Turkish officials say was sent to Istanbul may have intended to capture Khashoggi and bring him back to Saudi Arabia, and not to kill him.

The person who was briefed on the audio recording said it shows that after killing Khashoggi, the security team went to the home of the Saudi consul general, where staff were told to go home early. There is evidence of at least one phone call, as well, from inside the consulate, this person said.

Despite a growing demand for information about Khashoggi’s whereabouts, U.S. officials had few public answers Thursday more than a week after he went missing. The State Department said that it expects the Saudi ambassador to the United States to return from a trip home and provide information about Khashoggi’s status without delay.

“We have said to him that we expect information upon his return to the United States,” State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a briefing with reporters.

She added that the United States has offered to provide law enforcement resources to Turkey, but declined to say whether investigators were on the ground there.

On Capitol Hill, some lawmakers were frustrated that the White House hadn’t disclosed more information about Khashoggi before and after he disappeared. Some lawmakers said the administration should consider curtailing sales of weapons to the kingdom.

“Arms sales are certainly going to be, I think, a huge concern if there is responsibility that is irrefutable,” Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) said of any potential evidence supporting Saudi Arabia’s role in Khashoggi’s killing.

Gardner said that the Trump administration had left senators in the dark about intelligence pointing to a Saudi role and demanded that officials give lawmakers a fuller account of what they knew of possible threats to his safety before he disappeared.

“There’s a lot of information that we don’t know that we need to get. There’s an information gap that needs to be filled promptly by the administration, by the intelligence community,” Gardner said. “The immediate question has to be, what exists. The answer to that needs to be, acting on the information that we had, what did we do with it.”

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that he had seen no definitive proof of who allegedly killed Khashoggi, but “everything that I’ve seen points to the Saudis . . . We have no evidence that points anywhere but to them.”

On Wednesday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle wrote to Trump and asked him to impose sanctions against anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders. The lawmakers invoked the Global Magnitsky Act, giving the president 120 days to make a decision.

On Tuesday, Kushner and national security adviser John Bolton called Mohammed and encouraged him to be transparent about what Riyadh knows about Khashoggi, said officials familiar with the call.

U.S. officials, however, pushed back on calls to halt arms sales to Riyadh, calling such demands premature.

“I think they’re jumping to conclusions,” said Nauert, the State Department spokeswoman. “This is entirely a hypothetical situation at this point. We don’t know what happened. We don’t have the facts of the case.”

Trump also dismissed the possibility.

“They’re spending $110 billion purchasing military equipment and other things,” he said of the Saudis during the bill signingin the Oval Office. “If we don’t sell it to them, they’ll say, ‘Well, thank you very much. We’ll buy it from Russia.’ Or ‘Thank you very much. We’ll buy it from China.’ That doesn’t help us — not when it comes to jobs and not when it comes to our companies losing out on that work.”

Mekhennet reported from Istanbul. Kareem Fahim in Istanbul and Carol D. Leonnig, Karoun Demirjian, Ellen Nakashima and Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.
 
K3 said:
Holy cow... I am pretty much speechless at this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell-us-officials-they-have-audio-and-video-recordings-that-support-conclusion-khashoggi-was-killed/2018/10/11/119a119e-cd88-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9bbc31bef282

On Wednesday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle wrote to Trump and asked him to impose sanctions against anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders. The lawmakers invoked the Global Magnitsky Act, giving the president 120 days to make a decision.

Will be interesting to see what Trump does about this as the US and Saudi Arabia are as thick as thieves. I'd be surprised if there are any sanctions, imagine what the price of fuel would go to. It's already gone through the roof thanks to Trumps sanctions on Iran.
 
tigerman said:
On Wednesday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle wrote to Trump and asked him to impose sanctions against anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders. The lawmakers invoked the Global Magnitsky Act, giving the president 120 days to make a decision.

Will be interesting to see what Trump does about this as the US and Saudi Arabia are as thick as thieves. I'd be surprised if there are any sanctions, imagine what the price of fuel would go to. It's already gone through the roof thanks to Trumps sanctions on Iran.

Agree mate.

I'm 100% expecting nothing 'decent' to happen in repercussions for this heinous act.

A person's life taken because he wrote things that some elitist didn't like... shameful
 
tigerman said:
On Wednesday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle wrote to Trump and asked him to impose sanctions against anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders. The lawmakers invoked the Global Magnitsky Act, giving the president 120 days to make a decision.

Will be interesting to see what Trump does about this as the US and Saudi Arabia are as thick as thieves. I'd be surprised if there are any sanctions, imagine what the price of fuel would go to. It's already gone through the roof thanks to Trumps sanctions on Iran.

So after initially saying that Khashoggi was at the Saudi Arabian consulate and then left. The Saudi's are now saying that he died after a fight he had while he was there. Eighteen Saudis have been arrested and are being questioned.................................. They'll probably say it was a fair fight.
 
tigerman said:
So after initially saying that Khashoggi was at the Saudi Arabian consulate and then left. The Saudi's are now saying that he died after a fight he had while he was there. Eighteen Saudis have been arrested and are being questioned.................................. They'll probably say it was a fair fight.

Also 'curious' that one of those allegedly involved has died in a 'suspicious' car accident in Saudi Arabia.

Nothing will happen. There will be huffing and puffing for a month or two then it will die down and be forgotten about. Like usual
 
Legends of 2017 said:
Also 'curious' that one of those allegedly involved has died in a 'suspicious' car accident in Saudi Arabia.

Nothing will happen. There will be huffing and puffing for a month or two then it will die down and be forgotten about. Like usual

Probably an atheist woman driver. Stone her to death, reimpose the ban on women drivers and delcare it an atheist plot. Sorted.
 
Massively rising power bills will be enough alone to see the Libs kicked to the curb.
Bills are going up by hundreds of dollars every year.
After seeing the pollies, wagging their fingers at the power companies today, I just crunched the numbers on my last 2 gas & electricity bills compared with last year & nearly fell off the chair.
What a disgrace.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Massively rising power bills will be enough alone to see the Libs kicked to the curb.
Bills are going up by hundreds of dollars every year.
After seeing the pollies, wagging their fingers at the power companies today, I just crunched the numbers on my last 2 gas & electricity bills compared with last year & nearly fell off the chair.
What a disgrace.

But...but...but.

It's all those bleeding-heart-lefties running power companies insisting we all use renewables that's lifting your bills isn't it?
 
What's an electricity bill?

Sorry, since installing solar panels in 2010 I haven't had one.

So much for renewables being the problem, get some renewables of your own and power bills are a thing of the past.

DS
 
Stupid ****** Australia. The whole WORLD must laugh at us. Now do something about Iron Ore and Coal.

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/oil-and-gas-giants-hit-with-6-billion-tax-hike-20181102-p50dn6.html

Oil and gas giants will be hit with a $6 billion tax hike over the next decade following years of concern that Australia has been hemorrhaging lucrative revenue to multinationals.

The decision was made after an 18-month wait for the Coalition's response to a landmark review into the sector, which heard Australia would eclipse Qatar as the world's top gas exporter by 2020 but receive just $800 million revenue compared to Qatar's $26.6 billion.
 
craig said:
We have been bleeding to death in International Gas since weve been selling it.

Yep, we are being screwed on Gas, Iron Ore, Coal etc and until just recently when ScoMo in an act of populism changed the policy were being told that we can't get the pension until we are 70 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
 
tigerman said:
Stupid ****** Australia. The whole WORLD must laugh at us. Now do something about Iron Ore and Coal.

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/oil-and-gas-giants-hit-with-6-billion-tax-hike-20181102-p50dn6.html

Oil and gas giants will be hit with a $6 billion tax hike over the next decade following years of concern that Australia has been hemorrhaging lucrative revenue to multinationals.

The decision was made after an 18-month wait for the Coalition's response to a landmark review into the sector, which heard Australia would eclipse Qatar as the world's top gas exporter by 2020 but receive just $800 million revenue compared to Qatar's $26.6 billion.

Oh snap!
 
tigerman said:
Stupid ****** Australia. The whole WORLD must laugh at us. Now do something about Iron Ore and Coal.

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/oil-and-gas-giants-hit-with-6-billion-tax-hike-20181102-p50dn6.html

Oil and gas giants will be hit with a $6 billion tax hike over the next decade following years of concern that Australia has been hemorrhaging lucrative revenue to multinationals.

The decision was made after an 18-month wait for the Coalition's response to a landmark review into the sector, which heard Australia would eclipse Qatar as the world's top gas exporter by 2020 but receive just $800 million revenue compared to Qatar's $26.6 billion.

Is the chief executive of the APPEA referred to towards the end of the article the flat-earther ex senator for One Nation?