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Giardiasis said:
It's not appropriate because the government has no way of knowing what the stockpile should be. They can't perform a rational risk assessment as they don't have the knowledge that is dispersed among the thousands of people that buy and sell fuel, and they aren't the one's taking the risk. It is also not appropriate, because their method of changing the stockpile is to compel fuel companies and/or tax payers to hold a minimum stock level at the point of a gun.

"Why wouldn’t It be appropriate for a government to do a rational risk assessment of what could happen and put in place appropriate mitigations and take a wholistic approach vs expecting thousands of businesses and millions of individuals to coordinate to do the same vs all their other competing priorities? "

This argument can be applied throughout the whole economy. Who decides what should be produced/stored/developed? A planning board or a market. The moral answer and the one that leads to the greatest prosperity for all is the market.
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You make some good points on who decides what. The market often fails in my opinion when there are large externalities that the decision makers in the market impose on others or the timeframe for seeing the outcome of a decision is long (smoking / asbestos).

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not implying we should build more stockpiles - but I don’t agreee the market will effectively factoring this into any decision making - I don’t see individuals/companies doing anything in this space.

If there is a breakdown there will be a run on inventories and the country will come to a halt. I’m not in a position to assess the cost to society but you imagine it could be large. While it’s quite affordable for everyone (individuals/companies) to buy some Jerry cans and hold a weeks worth of supply in their garage / warehouse it won’t happen until after *smile* goes wrong. I lived in Texas a decade or so ago and many people do exactly that as they are used to hurricane season and the potential consequences. If the risk is larger in Australia than it used to be my view is nothing will change until the scenario triggers once unless we are proactive in assessing if the risk has changed.

I think in our back and forth the approach you advocate will generally lead to reactive outcomes. Maybe that drives a better overall outcome as it means people react to real data and evidence vs an authority needing to take a position before the full consequences can actually be known - they aren’t going to get them all right. For me where you can see the potential for long term effects / externalities / new risks there is a role for intervention.
 
And the doofus of the week award goes to AMA president Dr Paul Baert who claimed asylum seekers on Nauru and Manus were worse off than the Holocaust victims.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/02/australian-doctor-says-holocaust-victims-were-better-off-than-nauru-refugees.html
 
tigertim said:
And the doofus of the week award goes to AMA president Dr Paul Baert who claimed asylum seekers on Nauru and Manus were worse off than the Holocaust victims.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/02/australian-doctor-says-holocaust-victims-were-better-off-than-nauru-refugees.html
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Yeh, people were happier knowing they were going to be gassed.
 
didn't read what the good doctor wrote but seems a little bit hyperbolic. Locking people up in indefinite detention in a third country is bad enough.

Great that the medivac legislation got through regardless. First time since 1929 that a sitting government has been so humiliated on the floor of parliament. Roll on the election in May.
 
tigertim said:
And the doofus of the week award goes to AMA president Dr Paul Baert who claimed asylum seekers on Nauru and Manus were worse off than the Holocaust victims.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/02/australian-doctor-says-holocaust-victims-were-better-off-than-nauru-refugees.html
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Silly thing to say because it didn’t help the argument at all, actually distracted from it.
 
Vicpol deem 16 Labor MPs have no case on the red shirt farce. Boys looking after the boys.
 
ScoMo begging people smugglers in Indo to send some boats STAT

These ones won't be treated as "on water matters" and turned back, but instead Channel Nein and Newscorpse journalists will be given detailed press briefings and exclusive access. I understand Nine has already sent a reporter into south Java to try and spruik for some immediate departures.

Meanwhile polls still give the ALP a ten point lead in the TPP so expect the LNP hysteria to ramp up further as the election draws closer.
 
Some of the stuff coming out is almost unbelievable. Wilson and his franking credits webste and data going to his relatives company. Home Affairs, Dutton and Paladin. (And offshore detention costing us 8mill a year per AS to boot). Corman and free travel from his mates company that has the tender with his department.

Stinks to high heaven.
 
Don't forget the 400m to some little unheard of mob to manage the great barrier reef
 
Tigers of Old said:
Is there a Liberal minister who isn't under a cloud of suspicion atm??
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There is one federal minister who is currently not under a cloud of suspicion mainly because she has refused to go public with the media on anything (in case she says something?). She's starting to cop it now by being dubbed the invisible minister.
 
Julian Burnside standing for the Greens in Kooyong, against Treasurer Josh Frydenberg. He'll win. This fraudulent, incompetent, corrupt government is going to be decimated.
 
spook said:
Julian Burnside standing for the Greens in Kooyong, against Treasurer Josh Frydenberg. He'll win. This fraudulent, incompetent, corrupt government is going to be decimated.
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Oh The Greens Spook. That is great! Not. Hardly Green, need a name change to something more irrelevant.
 
HR said:
Oh The Greens Spook. That is great! Not. Hardly Green, need a name change to something more irrelevant.
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I'm not a Greens fan, HR. I'm just a massive non-fan of the dishonest, mean, idiots currently in office.
 
spook said:
I'm not a Greens fan, HR. I'm just a massive non-fan of the dishonest, mean, idiots currently in office.
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Fair call. I just worry about these so called Independent and new to politics people who are not the answer. When will we get a batch of politicians who actually care?
 
Kooyong is a big ask, can't see the Libs losing that one . . . then again, Wentworth?

Still think it won't happen but the swinging vote is much larger these days as is the vote for minor parties.

DS
 
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