Talking Politics

[tigertim]

Just did an early vote and expected one man and his dog there but its full on , just like a regular voting day and almost as busy. I read ladt week 660,000 had already voted.

 

[year of the tiger]

Just did an early vote and expected one man and his dog there but its full on , just like a regular voting day and almost as busy. I read ladt week 660,000 had already voted.

Over 1 million nationally I heard had already voted by Monday this past week.

 

[spook]

I am very much in favour of explicit environment issues like this ....why we have rice farming at all in Australia is beyond me. 2.5 billion people who live on the stuff grow enough to feed themselves and export it to ocassionall eaters like us. Pakistani basmati over Aussie sun long any day of the week.
Don't start me on cotton farming in near arid climates.
Land clearing that is putting koalas on endangered lists in large parts of qld and Nsw.
To me these are things we can influence for our own benefit.

Amen, 22.

Plibersek was born in Sydney to Slovenian immigrant parents. She has degrees from the University of Technology Sydney and Macquarie University, and before entering parliament worked as a staffer for Senator Bruce Childs

Not a union official but a political animal from the day she enrolled at UTS. I do however think she has a lot of credibility... And is a great asset for the ALP. But talent doesn't preclude one from calling in favours once the election is won. I didn't say they will roll Shorten just that they will manipulate him..as you say the talent is way more smart than two kill Bill.

My old man was as working class as they came but had a strong preference for the right of poltics yet he said John Button was the best minister we ever had. PS he had dealings with Shirtens old man and his observations of him make it easy to understand why bill chooses to use his mother as a campaign weapon.

I think it's ok to get involved in politics early if your motives are good, and I think we can agree Plibersek's were. It's the careerist hacks or ambitious egotists that are the worry.

Agree on Button, he was a gem, part of the golden generation of Labor politicians.

And yes, Shorten himself doesn't have much to say about his dad. Probably adds to his adulation of his mum if his dad wasn't much chop.

Vaccinations save lives , fact. Arguing against that is like saying 1 plus 1 isn't 2!

Yep.

 

[Sintiger]

Vaccinations save lives , fact. Arguing against that is like saying 1 plus 1 isn't 2! As for Rachel Carling-Jenkins, I have so many stories from the last state election when we were both candidates for Werribee. Most I can only tell privately

As an aside there was an article I read earlier in the week about an 17 year old in the US who was banned from going to school because he refused chicken pox vaccination over and over on religious grounds and he and his parents challenged it in court. The court action stopped and he was allowed back to school because just prior to the hearing he got chicken pox !!

 

[tigertim]

Over 1 million nationally I heard had already voted by Monday this past week.

Yep, and still another week to go. Roughly about 5% of the over 18 population have voted already.

 

[AngryAnt]

Interesting that newspol shows the gap tightening more than Ipsos Reachtel. Given the nasty BS that Newscorpse has been up to this election it would surprise me if they've been manipulating the figures. If we get a Labor landslide that will be clear next week.

Rupert's really trashed his own brand with this kind of BS.

I'll never forgive him, Abbott and Turnbull for giving us the worst "broadband" internet in the developed world to protect his Foxtel empire either.

 

[Sintiger]

That is also bad. Never used to be the liberal way. And has definitely contributed to their shortcomings today. So a pox on anyone who has only ever worked in the political system and then goes into parliament (and I don't count working in a bar while doing a law degree a working class experience)

Agree.

There is way too much influence from the Trade unions in the Labor party imo, both in terms of access and policy and also money. The Liberal party has other influences and a political class in Parliament that is very out of touch. Much as I liked his wit at times someone like Christopher Pyne is a prime example of that.

The access the Trade union movement gets to senior politicians is out of proportion in my view. I do however think it is more of an issue at a state level than federal because the vast majority of awards are state based not federal and in the end pay and conditions in awards is the main thing unions are involved in.

 

[tigertim]

Over 1 million nationally I heard had already voted by Monday this past week.

Apparently now 2 million have already voted.

 

[easy_tiger]

Apparently now 2 million have already voted.

I did.

The polling lady asks what your reason is for Pre-Polling.

I go 'I just want it over with'

and she handed me my slips.

I numbered every box in the senate, just so some *smile* like Fraser Anning doesn't get my vote in some cynical *smile* of a deal.

took me ages

 

[Panthera Tigris]

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Hansard/Pages/HansardResult.aspx#/docid/HANSARD-1820781676-78597

Slight different topic. If anyone is interested, here is Mark Latham's opening speech in NSW Parliament this week. I tend to agree with 65-70% of it. Some points very well made. I'm just disappointed that he joined One Nation. Many of the points he made would go straight over the heads of the dumb, *smile*whitted, red-neck, genuinely racist element that tend to be tied up in that party.

I've heard a lot of people from the ALP-left say things like, "what the hell happened to Mark Latham?" I don't think any thing happened to Mark Latham. He is still in the same place he always was on the political spectrum. It's that the ALP has moved away from him.

 

[AngryAnt]

Sorry PT, that's incorrect. Compare Latham's speech from 1994 about Section 18C to what he says now.

From 1994:

This is indeed landmark legislation. It represents an important landmark in Australia's transformation from an inward looking, monocultural society to an outward looking, tolerant, confident, multicultural society.

A restriction against incitements to racial violence and vilification is totally valid to ensure not so much absolute freedom of speech but fair speech, consistent with the values of tolerance and understanding.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/mark-loltham

Latham's got the right to change his stance on anything of course but to claim he hasn't changed is nonsense, even leaving aside that fact the he joined PHON. He's moved from progressive Left to hard Right- verging on alt-right. The sad truth is that Latham is a political opportunist - and he always was, even when I agreed with him.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

Sorry PT, that's incorrect. Compare Latham's speech from 1994 about Section 18C to what he says now.

From 1994:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/mark-loltham

Latham's got the right to change his stance on anything of course but to claim he hasn't changed is nonsense, even leaving aside that fact the he joined PHON. He's moved from progressive Left to hard Right- verging on alt-right. The sad truth is that Latham is a political opportunist - and he always was, even when I agreed with him.

Nothing alt-right or even hard right in his comments about Islam and Muslims in that speech. That part was very reasonable. He actually made the point of calling out the excesses of identity politics on the left and right end of the spectrum in that section. Not sure why that is considered alt-right.

 

[AngryAnt]

Nothing alt-right or even hard right in his comments about Islam and Muslims in that speech. That part was very reasonable. He actually made the point of calling out the excesses of identity politics on the left and right end of the spectrum in that section. Not sure why that is considered alt-right.

Haven't read his maiden speech to the NSW parliament PT, just going by what he's said in many public forums in recent years, but he really was a progressive, firebrand leftist in his early days. It's just wrong to claim he hasn't changed. He has.

This was a guy who went from being an active feminist and supporter of women to vilifying Rosie Batty, the woman who's ex murdered their son. That's the degree of change in Mark Latham.

 

[YinnarTiger]

Latham's not the first political opportunist to sign up with One Nation, just the latest. Pauline is just seen as a dumb stepping stone who can be used by these people to help them get a well-paid term in the Senate or a State Upper House.

 

[easy_tiger]

Howard campaigns on the line that 'Shorten is coming for your nest egg'

so Keating counters 'Dutton is the nastiest piece of work in politics in 50 years and he'll be your PM'

:rofl

 

[K3]

Howard campaigns on the line that 'Shorten is coming for your nest egg'

so Keating counters 'Dutton is the nastiest piece of work in politics in 50 years and he'll be your PM'

:rofl

He did even better than that Easy. I just love the vampire reference!

Paul Keating says he has never seen someone "as mean" as Peter Dutton in his 50 years since entering Parliament and says voters have a chance "to drive a stake through his dark political heart"

 

[TT33]

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with political advertising on the tv, thank goodness we only have to put up with it for1 more day.

 

[K3]

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with political advertising on the tv, thank goodness we only have to put up with it for1 more day.

Especially with how much of them are full of... *smile*.

Why we don't have laws ensuring that what is 'put out there' is the truth is just beyond me.

 

[TT33]

Especially with how much of them are full of... *smile*.

Why we don't have laws ensuring that what is 'put out there' is the truth is just beyond me.

Thoroughly agree K3, talk about TRUTH in advertising, if the crud they sprout was put to that test ALL political parties would fail miserably

 

[tigerman]

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with political advertising on the tv, thank goodness we only have to put up with it for1 more day.

I'm equally annoyed with all the junk they keep sending me in the mail, almost every day, it's predominately from the Libs.