Talking Politics

[martyshire]

One of my mates in Melbourne who is in the ALP (right faction), states they lost it for going with both the negative gearing and the cranking credits. He feels that they should have left negative gearing alone if you only had one property. He stands by the cranking credits but admits they could have capped the tax return at $10,000.

He is now very worried that the ALP will push very hard left as Tanya, Albo and Wong all very left.

I guess then they'll be too scared to try to make changes to NG again.

Such a shame.

It is such a bad thing for the country, long term. Encouraging people to make a loss on an asset that doesn't produce anything or employ anyone and in 85% of cases doesn't house anyone either (i.e. in net terms, since 85% of NG's properties are established). People should be investing in businesses. Instead they are contributing to a scenario where the average young person has a choice between a debt they will probably never pay off and the prospect of spending their adult life as a second class citizen (a renter).

Of course, young people with a big inheritance will be immune. I'd hate to think how much inequality we're going to see in 30 or 40 years.

 

[crackertiger]

Fantastic sensible result for Australia. The economy needed this government to stay in power. :clap

 

[MB78]

I guess then they'll be too scared to try to make changes to NG again.

Such a shame.

It is such a bad thing for the country, long term. Encouraging people to make a loss on an asset that doesn't produce anything or employ anyone and in 85% of cases doesn't house anyone either (i.e. in net terms, since 85% of NG's properties are established). People should be investing in businesses. Instead they are contributing to a scenario where the average young person has a choice between a debt they will probably never pay off and the prospect of spending their adult life as a second class citizen (a renter).

Of course, young people with a big inheritance will be immune. I'd hate to think how much inequality we're going to see in 30 or 40 years.

I don’t disagree with those comments.

 

[tigerman]

Mud guts Palmer might not have got back into parliament, but he had a massive say in the election result.

Shame on the Voters who supported Palmer, shame on you. He disrespected Australian voters after voting to get rid of the carbon tax and the mining tax when he was in parliament, and then didn't bother turning up when parliament was sitting. What a disgrace of a human being.

 

[MD Jazz]

I guess then they'll be too scared to try to make changes to NG again.

Such a shame.

It is such a bad thing for the country, long term. Encouraging people to make a loss on an asset that doesn't produce anything or employ anyone and in 85% of cases doesn't house anyone either (i.e. in net terms, since 85% of NG's properties are established). People should be investing in businesses. Instead they are contributing to a scenario where the average young person has a choice between a debt they will probably never pay off and the prospect of spending their adult life as a second class citizen (a renter).

Of course, young people with a big inheritance will be immune. I'd hate to think how much inequality we're going to see in 30 or 40 years.

Good post. They were good policies. Troubled times.

 

[jb03]

Pretty dark day for australia culturally.

We put franking credits and $5 a week tax break ahead of

Health, education, our environment and reconciliation with black australia.

Scomo sipped a schooner significantly less awkwardly than shorten jogged.

What happens now?

Well we are *smile*ed. The nationals killed the murray river, and won more seats. The Indian bloke the queenslanders want WILL kill the reef. But whats a river and a reef?

Black fellas are just as dumb as the rest of us. They swung 7% to liberal in Lignari, despite labour laying on the table to legislate for black policy power.

What have labour got? Their best talent are gay and girls. Kristina keneally has the mettle, even the looks to slip murdochs muck. But shes a senator.

It'll be Elbows, whose more scomo than scomo.

We'll all just get sh!tter and crapper and hate each other more.

But our franking credits should be right.

I don't know about Keneally, every she touches turns to *smile*. And Wong is looking like the biggest sook of all.

And good on the Vics though for being the most progressive state.

 

[MD Jazz]

Apparently Malcolm Roberts may get back into senate. Depressing.

Who can forget him debating Bryan Cox on Q&A. Well done voters.

 

[Baloo]

Twitter once again confirms it is the domain of the left. Easily 80% of posts are shocked, disgusted, bewildered etc.

 

[TigerForce]

Apparently Malcolm Roberts may get back into senate. Depressing.

Who can forget him debating Bryan Cox on Q&A. Well done voters.

You're joking. Did he know Brian Cox is a professor even though he doesn't look like one?

 

[Sintiger]

Maybe, just maybe, the “sneering, look down their noses, I’m smarter than you, you’re a racist,” mob will learn to shut up, stop telling people how to vote and accept that the people have spoken. You backed the wrong horse for the 3rd time (Brexit, Trump)

Nah. The 49% or so who believe this government is one of the worst in Australia's history will continue to say it and so they should.

As for telling people how to vote, I have no idea what you are talking about because every political party does that. You think the LNP didn't tell people how to vote?

The key messages for me are don't try and do too much, you become too big a target, self interest will always rule the majority, when it comes to tax the sloguns like "retiree tax" now outgun the facts and that when it comes to anyone outside australia we don't really care. These are all depressing to me but they are a reality.

Politically the message is that the Labor party has big problems, it is too beholden to the trade union movement and that the best way is to become a true social democratic party which has a concencus between business and labour. If they needed reminding of that the death of Bob Hawke should have been a reminder. History tells us he got that and it was a very powerful tool.

 

[HR]

Thats pretty ironic when the LNP campaign consisted entirely of 'playing the man' and almost nothing else.

Interesting take. Just reading the opinions on this thread, even the left supporters continue to play the man. Policy? Bill had 6 years to do his homework. 6 years! Couldn't answer the right questions just kept on talking nothing.
Some really good results actually across the country.
One in particular is Peter Dutton, a man who has served his community for most of his adult life and made decisions to save lives and stood fast against the far left minority opinion, holds his head high this morning. The comment from the left is obviously not mainstream Australia.
Labor need to understand who they are again, they are certainly not what they stood for 30 years ago. Let the Greens run their own race, maintain distance from those who think they know best.

 

[Djevv]

I thought it was a great result for common sense. Middle Australia was simply not prepared to risk all on whether the Labor Party’s raft of policies would work or wreak havoc on an already depressed economy & housing market. The climate change initiative was the most controversial and realistically if we zeroed our emissions tomorrow it would not make the slightest bit of difference to climate change worldwide.

 

[HR]

Nah. The 49% or so who believe this government is one of the worst in Australia's history will continue to say it and so they should.

Believe what you will in regards to the stats. Pretty sure it's not close to 49%. What was the total libs primary compared to other parties?

 

[Baloo]

Anning and Abbott out. That's good. Shame Dutton stayed in but that's a sign that Queenslanders want the Adani mine.

If the Libs can quelch the far right of the party, and with Abbott out it's a good chance, then they might be able to govern well. But if we're heading into another 3 years of the same then Australia will just suffer, just like it would suffer if a far left ALP got in.

 

[Sintiger]

Believe what you will in regards to the stats. Pretty sure it's not close to 49%. What was the total libs primary compared to other parties?

so what was the 2 party preferred then? The polls showed a 2 party preferred at around 51-49 to Labor and they were maybe 1-2% out. What do you think it is after the election, 60-40? If it was that the LNP would have won a lot more than 75-78 seats

This election was a 51-49 election or very close to it on a 2 party preferred basis as most of our elections are. Claiming massive mandates is false on either side.

 

[gutfull]

Havent lived in Australia for the past 25 years .
Had a littke look at the results last night )))))))))).
Shorten can now *smile* off and take the dyke with you ....

 

[Baloo]

Havent lived in Australia for the past 25 years .
Had a littke look at the results last night )))))))))).
Shorten can now p!ss off and take the dyke with you ....

Going by this post and your other calling for Wong to be deported, it's a good thing for both you and Australia that you haven't lived there for 25years. Not so good for the perception of Australians around where you live though.

 

[IanG]

Fantastic sensible result for Australia. The economy needed this government to stay in power. :clap

Yet the ALP has in general been a better economic manager than the LNP since the Hawke Keating government.

 

[IanG]

Interesting take. Just reading the opinions on this thread, even the left supporters continue to play the man. Policy? Bill had 6 years to do his homework. 6 years! Couldn't answer the right questions just kept on talking nothing.

What have pundits on here got to do with the actual campaigns? As for Shorten thats on his ability to sell himself and the ALP's policies not on the fact that they had a big agenda and made themselves a big target when the LNP had no agenda beyond tax cuts.

 

[easy_tiger]

Havent lived in Australia for the past 25 years

This perked me up a bit.