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KnightersRevenge

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Fraser & Hawke didn't have to deal with the world power broker that is Murdoch.

Murdoch controls much of the media in Australia, UK and USA. Unsurprisingly he has little control in New Zealand & Canada.
Well poor Uncie Rupert had to deal with Conrad Black (fraudster and con artist) and Robert Maxwell (fraudster and con artist whose daughter Ghislane Maxwell was the right hand woman to international scumbag, pedophile, sex trafficker, fraudster and conman Jeffery Epstein). Quite the bunch really.
 

KnightersRevenge

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Where are all the Trump haters? The guy is a war criminal and what do we get? Tumbleweed. He says something offensive to some identity group, WOAH the world is gonna end.
Waiting for some evidence before jumping to any conclusions maybe Gia? The U.S. said they had "credible evidence" of impending threat from Iran. Trump can't lie straight in bed so it is about as believable as anything else he says, but if consistency is worth anything we shouldn't jump to assume so but withhold judgement until we know more.
 

Ian4

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It is good to see Craig Kelly being called out for his use of the typical Lib/Nat practice of abusing people who disagree with them.
particularly funny when he has no qualifications at all that are relevant to climate change, being a former furniture salesman, and i am sure everyone knows the science background of the 'weather girl'/
if it wasn't so excruciatingly embarrassing for our country, it would have been hilarious. and you know what? this will turn him a cult figure here now. that’s how pathetic politics has become.
 

Giardiasis

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Waiting for some evidence before jumping to any conclusions maybe Gia? The U.S. said they had "credible evidence" of impending threat from Iran. Trump can't lie straight in bed so it is about as believable as anything else he says, but if consistency is worth anything we shouldn't jump to assume so but withhold judgement until we know more.
If consistency is worth anything than you wouldn’t give the US the benefit of the doubt. They are proven liars when it comes to war justification.

 

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Where are all the Trump haters? The guy is a war criminal and what do we get? Tumbleweed. He says something offensive to some identity group, WOAH the world is gonna end.
A scroll back on this thread and I got to August and still no mention of Trump. Pretty sure he's abused plenty since then but no commentary on here. So not sure which Trump Haters you're looking for.
 

DavidSSS

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Agree G. In some ways this is worse - impulsive, less organized, no plan beyond the initial act.

Touch wood Iran might be happy with the retaliation. We really dont need another large scale war in the ME.
The logic of taking out that Iranian General is pretty shaky. I presume the idea is that it will get the Iranians to pull their heads in and not attack US troops occupying Iraq. But Iran is likely to respond using their proxies and all it has done so far is make an unpopular regime in Iran less unpopular.

DS
 

Giardiasis

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A scroll back on this thread and I got to August and still no mention of Trump. Pretty sure he's abused plenty since then but no commentary on here. So not sure which Trump Haters you're looking for.
Don’t limit yourself to this thread and to August 2019. Bullus was probably the loudest anti trump voice and we haven’t heard from him in a while.
 

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if it wasn't so excruciatingly embarrassing for our country, it would have been hilarious. and you know what? this will turn him a cult figure here now. that’s how pathetic politics has become.
Jelly was going to lose pre selection until ScoMo intervened. Maybe regrets that now. PS would imagine you have to be an ordinary unit to lose pre selection as a sitting member.
 

22nd Man

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Think they might have missed n just dug a few fairly large holes in the ground.

Perhaps we might need to buddy up with the Chinese or Russians if we feel the need to be safe, or maybe Jacky Widodo over in Indonesia.


Doesn't rain but it pours sometimes. Iranians chuck a couple of rockets at the Septics n a couple of hours later a plane shits itself on take off from Iran airport n there's about 180 dead. Third Boeing jet to **** itself just after take off in a very short period of time.
Plane shot down by Iranians...
Also does anyone know why an Iranian general was in Bagdad? I thought they were mortal enemies? Or have they been smoking the peace pipe?
 

TigerMasochist

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Plane shot down by Iranians...
Also does anyone know why an Iranian general was in Bagdad? I thought they were mortal enemies? Or have they been smoking the peace pipe?
No surprises about the plane, Iran has the black boxes so it might be a long long time before they're released to anyone. Wonder if Pres Trudy will do anything more than mumble in his beard about it, there was plenty of his South Pacific Septics on the plane.

Iraqi's got nothing left since Sadman was removed years ago, just the Septics propping them up. Solly was apparently sitting with some boss of a sneaky Iraqi militia leader, so there'd have been plenty of Iranian / Iraqi fully sick Bro good budgie stuff happening to upset the Septics.
 

TigerMasochist

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The US hasn’t bothered with official declarations of war since 1942.
That's what I thought. So it looks like Nancy's pouty little mob of Demo's are nothing more than pathetic ******* hypocrites.
They all gloried in the fact old Ozzie Bin got taken out by Barry Oboe Ma's military hit squad. But they've gone feral n hamstrung Donnie Trumpet Mouth for doing exactly the same thing to nail General Solly.
Why does the term only in America ring so true n make me laugh so loud, bunch of *****.
 

KnightersRevenge

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That's what I thought. So it looks like Nancy's pouty little mob of Demo's are nothing more than pathetic ******* hypocrites.
They all gloried in the fact old Ozzie Bin got taken out by Barry Oboe Ma's military hit squad. But they've gone feral n hamstrung Donnie Trumpet Mouth for doing exactly the same thing to nail General Solly.
Why does the term only in America ring so true n make me laugh so loud, bunch of *****.
Not the same thing, do people read anymore? U.S. was at war with Al Queda and Obama had Congressional approval in advance of the raid (as per the rules of their system). The U.S. is not at war with Iran and Trump got no Congressional approval (utterly unconstitutional, not even a question). Not even close to the same thing. U.S. and WhiteHouse had been strategising for years on Osama Bin Laden. Not sure Trump can strategise, he can barely speak.

Iran's response was very measured all things considered, with the exception of the airliner brought down. We don't know enough to say much about that.
 

TigerMasochist

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Iran's response was very measured all things considered, with the exception of the airliner brought down. We don't know enough to say much about that.
Pretty sure the Iranians already fessed up to taking down the plane.
Pretty sure Al Queda is a terrorist organisation not a country, so what's the difference between the head of one terrorist organisation and the head of another one, except for the fancy bullshit of making one terrorist a General?
Iran's been backing n funding terrorist organisations for years. Septics, Russians, Europeans n now even the Chinese have been sneaking around funding n backing various regimes n terror organisations through out the middle east for most of my lifetime. It's all well n good when the different middle east countries are all busy ripping into one another, but it's kinda been getting out of control n the chaos is spinning out into the " civilised " world a bit lately n all of a sudden things get a bit nasty on the outside.
 

DavidSSS

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Bringing down the airliner was terrible, what a mess, surely they could have communicated the flight times and details of the civilian flights to their military no matter how nervous they were. Negligence in the extreme, no excuse.

I do wonder a bit in relation to Iran. While ISIS was running around were Iran (Shi-ite and therefore not supportive of a caliphate) given a bit more leeway as I'm sure Iran would not have been happy having ISIS in control of various parts of the region.

Trump has no clue, but then again neither did Bush Jr. If you want to start messing around with regimes in other countries FFS have some sort of plan for winning the peace or some sort of strategy and end goal in mind. No idea what they thought they would achieve by killing the General.

DS
 

KnightersRevenge

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Bringing down the airliner was terrible, what a mess, surely they could have communicated the flight times and details of the civilian flights to their military no matter how nervous they were. Negligence in the extreme, no excuse.

I do wonder a bit in relation to Iran. While ISIS was running around were Iran (Shi-ite and therefore not supportive of a caliphate) given a bit more leeway as I'm sure Iran would not have been happy having ISIS in control of various parts of the region.

Trump has no clue, but then again neither did Bush Jr. If you want to start messing around with regimes in other countries FFS have some sort of plan for winning the peace or some sort of strategy and end goal in mind. No idea what they thought they would achieve by killing the General.

DS
It seems funny how everyone is falling over themselves to absolve Iran of full culpability. The back-channels must be in overdrive.
 
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sausage_meat69

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Ukraine have been getting the **** end of the stick when it comes to civilian aircraft being torpedoed out of the sky! The Iranian forces like the Russian miltia wouldn't have the training or processes required to properly support these sophisticated weapons. The guy had likely switched the missile battery to auto while he RTMed. Having said that much like the Malaysian Airline Flight, you don't fly (or take off) within these troubled air spaces.