Talking Politics

[Giardiasis]

So you admit that you aren't even aware of the basics behind what you spout.

One of the fundamental differences between traditional liberalism and neo-liberalism is that traditional liberalism was based on the idea that you get ahead and in doing so others will remain as well off as they are or also rise (the analogy of tides making all ships rise). Neo-liberalism is based on get ahead and if that means others suffer then so be it.

Neo-liberalism and the free market fundamentalists we've seen over the last few decades come out game theory and its application to economics by people like Buchanan.

You talk a lot about Hayek, but Hayek did not envisage a stateless free market society with privatisation of the ocean and the like, so who do you go to when you take this further, Rothbard maybe?

In any case the dystopia of a stateless society based on private property and free markets is just the privatisation of the coercive power of government, it just substitutes a private coercer for the public coercer.

DS

Newsflash, neo-liberalism is a boogie man that leftists attack yet no one claims to be.

Acting as an individual within the division of labour requires social cooperation and mutually beneficial relationships. You don’t get anywhere in the long run screwing people. Fraud is not permitted nor condoned.

Actually I don’t really talk about Hayek much, he had some interesting work but he was palatable enough to the mainstream to win the The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. The economist I reference a fair bit is Ludwig von Mises, but even he didn’t advocate for a stateless society. Rothbard advanced that and I agree with Rothbard in this respect. Mises was an advocate of democracy which I am not. However the best libertarian theorist around this issue is Hoppe in my opinion.

Your characterisation of a private law society as coercive the same as a public law society is coercive ignores the concept of self defence. According to you, it would be coercive to stop someone from stealing from you.

 

[DavidSSS]

The best libertarian theorist is Hoppe, hmm, so what does Hoppe say?

Well, lets have a look:

One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very purpose of the covenant of preserving private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance towards democrats and communists in a libertarian social order.

Yep, I was right to refer to your lot as so-called libertarians, not much liberty going on there.

Not very tolerant either:

They — the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centred lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism — will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.

What Hoppe advocates is privatised authoritarianism. Still, I suppose you need that level of coercion when you view private property as more important than freedom, or, dare one say, liberty.

DS

 

[Baloo]

That sounds like a rambling manifesto of a Jonestown type

 

[Tigers of Old]

The sports rorts affair will still be there when all this is done.

 

[eZyT]

This is a pretty clear and simple commentary on pandemic economics and politics

yep, everyones a socialist in a crisis.

of course. And the easiest thing in the world to understand is that left of the political spectrum have had a few hundred years practice at this kind of policy, and right of the spectrum is a socialist newborn.

Under coronavirus, ideologies are overturned around the world. But it is too little, too late | Jeff Sparrow

If there is an economic alternative now, there was one before – and we are all suffering from the failure to take it

www.theguardian.com

A friend of mine got sacked from retail 'for the protection of retail staff from the virus'. She'd worked for the company for 15 years. permanent. she goes home and doesn't come back, no redundancy, no notice, nothing. Now the boss gets the no-doc cash off the govt designed to keep workers employed, sack them all, goes insolvent, stops paying rent, doesn't pay creditors, grabs all their stock and starts selling it on eBay.

Then the government goes '*smile*, that didn't really work'. suddenly a million people can't pay rent, and they have to react by passing a law that you cant evict tenants right now. They ideologically painted themselves into a corner.

The take home message? you want a leftist government running the show in tough times. protection of vulnerable and equality. broadly speaking, this is what they do. The Middle-class just lacks imagination to see that this whole shebang is a game of millimetres, and no-one is ever far away from vulnerability. when you don't have a job or a home or food, franking credits kind of lose their gloss.

The sports rorts affair will still be there when all this is done.

I dont think it will. They'll call it 'a decisive, targeted, scalable, pre-emptive stimulus'. or something.

 

[tigerman]

Good, long overdue.

Clampdown on foreign investments to prevent international raids on Australian assets

All foreign investments in Australia, regardless of value, will now require approval in a Federal Government move designed to prevent international raids on struggling companies hit by the coronavirus pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Giardiasis]

Good, long overdue.

Clampdown on foreign investments to prevent international raids on Australian assets

All foreign investments in Australia, regardless of value, will now require approval in a Federal Government move designed to prevent international raids on struggling companies hit by the coronavirus pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

Looking forward to the clampdown on NSW investments into QLD or the Melbourne investments into Ballarat.

 

[tigerman]

I'm looking forward to the the removal of the Significant Investor Visa (SIV's), i.e. buying and an Australian Residency Visa.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Good, long overdue.

Clampdown on foreign investments to prevent international raids on Australian assets

All foreign investments in Australia, regardless of value, will now require approval in a Federal Government move designed to prevent international raids on struggling companies hit by the coronavirus pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

So then I'm guessing that by the time the federal parliament has analysed n assessed these sneaky foreigners trying to buy up our struggling companies on the cheap. The aforementioned struggling companies will just quietly go belly up n shut down n then them dastardly foreigners will be left with nothing to buy.

Not far off having nothing left in this country but a couple of seriously large holes in the ground.

 

[IanG]

On the LNP government performance:

Global agencies mark Morrison Government FAIL on economy

Prospects for Australia’s economy through the coronavirus crisis now look bleak compared with other countries.

independentaustralia.net

 

[spook]

It's amazing how Morrison's popularity has skyrocketed since he started acting like a Labor PM.

 

[tigerman]

It's amazing how Morrison's popularity has skyrocketed since he started acting like a Labor PM.

Got a gut feeling that ScoMO and the Libs will never, ever talk about Labor's "reckless spending" during the Global Financial Crisis.

 

[Brodders17]

It's amazing how Morrison's popularity has skyrocketed since he started acting like a Labor PM.

it has also coincided with the likes of Dutton, Joyce, Roberts and Cash having very limited air time.

 

[DavidSSS]

it has also coincided with the likes of Dutton, Joyce, Roberts and Cash having very limited air time.

Limited air time? I figured they were victims of the virus 'cos they have been missing in action for a while now.

DS

 

[Tigers of Old]

Human error to overlook a million dollar property..

Peter Dutton forgets to declare family’s million-dollar property

EXCLUSIVE

www.news.com.au

 

[spook]

Yet he calls for a health official to resign over a harmless tweet. This is the most corrupt government we've ever seen in this country.

 

[TT33]

Yet he calls for a health official to resign over a harmless tweet. This is the most corrupt government we've ever seen in this country.

And Shane Martin is an "undesirable" !!!!

 

[spook]

And Shane Martin is an "undesirable" !!!!

Dutton's the worst kind of cop. A rich one.

 

[eZyT]

Dutton's the worst kind of cop. A rich one.

hmmmmm. there's only one flavour thats worse .....

a rich Queensland one. oh, wait,

 

[Brodders17]

Human error to overlook a million dollar property..

Peter Dutton forgets to declare family’s million-dollar property

EXCLUSIVE

www.news.com.au

i think Dutton should be treated with the same generosity and compassion he has shown over his political career.