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Talking Politics
- Thread starter Legends of 2017
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rosy23 said:
No, he has always stated that it is up to the country's to live by their laws and we should respect their laws.
rosy23 said:
I don't care whether you are qualified or not....I'm simply asking for your OPINION...you do have one, don't you?
So the Bali-bombers can kill 88 Australians....show no remorse, laugh in court....and you don't want them to be executed?
Do you think jail in a corrupt country like Indonesia is a punishment for these cretins?
rosy23 said:
What about them?
Sure...any Australian Government whether it be Libs or ALp will go for a 'clemency', but at the end of the day, if they waive that and want to proceed with the execution, then so be it. Howard isn't against them carrying out the justice that these countries dish out.
rosy23 said:
I'm not asking you to make an answer up to satisfy me....I'm asking for your opinion on these questions....and seeing that I answered your question when you kept on me:
rosy23 said:
...I would appreciate you showing me the same courtesy:
So the Bali-bombers can kill 88 Australians....show no remorse, laugh in court....and you don't want them to be executed?
Do you think jail in a corrupt country like Indonesia is a punishment for these cretins?
Liverpool said:
I said "So Johnny is happy for foriegners to be executed but he'd argue the case if Aussies were involved." and you replied "No, he has always stated that it is up to the country's to live by their laws and we should respect their laws."
The fact Johnny said "It follows from that whenever an Australian is sentenced to death overseas I'll argue for the remission of the sentence." shows your "No" reply to my statement to be false.
It also shows you didn't read the article you linked to too closely considering you'd only posted it minutes before.
That's what.
rosy23 said:
So the Bali-bombers can kill 88 Australians....show no remorse, laugh in court....and you don't want them to be executed?
Not really and I see no point making one up to satisfy you. By not qualified I mean don't know the options. If it's execution or jail I'd opt for life in jail.
Now the second one then, seeing you have opted for life in jail:
Do you think jail in a corrupt country like Indonesia is a punishment for these cretins?
Liverpool said:
Executing the Bali bombers will not bring the 88 Australians back - plus there is a real chance we will make martyrs out of them for many to follow - whereas if we showed true Christian beliefs and forgave them whilst penalising them through a recognised world standard correct penal code then we might make the first step towards ceasing the us and them scenario.
As for living under Labor - there were many many good policies which Australians enjoy today because of Labor Governments - like Medicare, Legal Aide, deregulation of the Banking Sector, opening up China to our products etc.etc.etc.
Yes they made their *smile* ups too - but then again so have Coalition Governments
And Coalition Governments have done some good too - no doubt about it!
The beauty of a democracy is that each political philosophy is allowed its time in the sun - then when it goes too far it gets ousted.
Goods from John Howard -
Waterfront reform had been too long in coming
Department of Human Services provides an excellent management tool for Social Security
The realignment of all Australian Intelligence Agencies was a must to occur
Bigger investment in our Defence Forces
Cross Media ownership allowing more international investment into a failing industry
The Australia Card was a very good initiative
Continuing the Prime Ministers XI match for touring Cricket teams
Investment in the Sydney Olympics
Farmer assistance through the worst drought in living memory
Not so goods from John Howard -
Iraq - we should never have gone - hindsight is a wonderful thing - but he did ignore our own intelligence in preference to the American slanted version
Following the USA foreign policy instead of creating our own
The Free Trade Agreement with the USA has been grossly in their favour
The increase spending on Management Consultants to the Federal Government and its Departments - the cost has blown out of all proportions
David Hicks should have had far more support from his country's government
The Dr Haneef saga was very badly handled
Out and out *smile* ups by John Howard -
The Australian Wheat Board payments to Sadam Hussain fiasco
Deporting Australian Citizens
The above 2 created the untouchable Cabinet Ministers creed - which has lead to no thats right nil ministerial accountability and the politicising of the Federal Public Service - Under the Westminster Parliamentary System 2 cornerstones that must be adhered too are - a fair and apolitical public service that has no fear of retribution from the Government when that public service advises Cabinet Ministers of the actual facts (rather than hiding it in rosy speak to the minister's advisors so as to not rock the government boat) and Ministerial Accountability - a minister is responsible for all events that occur within his/her portfolio - that is why ministers are given so many staff to ensure correct mechanism are set up to detect issues early and then acted upon before they get out of hand - a minister not being told or not knowing about what is happening with his/her portfolio is worse than knowing and not acting. For if Cabinet Ministers do not know what is happening within their protfolios then who is running the country?
Workchoices has taken Industrial relations to far to the right
Purchasing $6b worth of jet fighters the Department of Defence did not want - a decision made by Howard himself without consulting Cabinet or Treasury
Holding back billions of dollars from the Education and Health Systems in Australia in a bid to make the State Governments look worse in handling their own responsibilities - lets face it he could have given them the money and both systems would still be up the *smile* because State Governments could not organise a root in a brothel with $50 in one hand and their prick in the other - now Education and Health are so far up the *smile* it will take Australia a decade to fix 'em instead of a few years.
IMO Howard is a ratpack politician who is gutter smart and always put his Liberal Party first and Australian second. He is nothing like the man he modelled himself on - Sir Robert Menzies who was a true Statesman that always put Australia first.
rosy23 said:
In a corrupt country like Indonesia where a few $$$ can get you anything you like...jail is not a punishment.
FFS, even Schapelle Corby has been out on shopping trips!
So can you imagine how lenient they will be for Amrozi, an Islamic terrorist, in the most populated islamic country in the world?
Jail a punishment for him?
You're having a laugh, Rosy.
RemoteTiger said:
In September 1939, with Britain's declaration of war against Nazi Germany, Menzies found himself a wartime Prime Minister. He did his best to rally the country, but the bitter memories of the disillusionment which followed the First World War made this difficult, and the fact that Menzies had not served in that war and that as Attorney General and Deputy Prime Minister, Menzies had made an official visit to Germany in 1938 and had expressed his admiration for the regime undermined his credibility. At the 1940 election, the UAP was nearly defeated, and Menzies' government survived only thanks to the support of two independent MPs. The Australian Labor Party, under John Curtin, refused Menzies's offer to form a war coalition.
In 1941 Menzies spent months in Britain discussing war strategy with Winston Churchill and other leaders, while his position at home deteriorated. The Australian historian David Day has suggested that Menzies hoped to replace Churchill as British Prime Minister, and that he had some support in Britain for this.
Menzies always saw himself as British not Australian.
In those days Australia was but an annexure of Britian.
My comment was aimed at the fact that Party Politics took a back seat to what was best for the country (Britian or Australia).
Under John Howard it is the Liberal Party first and the country 2nd - because it is his belief that the country will be OK if the Liberals are in power - whether the liberal philosophy of government is right for the time or not!
My comment was aimed at the fact that Party Politics took a back seat to what was best for the country (Britian or Australia).
Under John Howard it is the Liberal Party first and the country 2nd - because it is his belief that the country will be OK if the Liberals are in power - whether the liberal philosophy of government is right for the time or not!
And after all this talk and posting it really does not matter as by this time tomorrow night John Howard will be proclaiming victory - Rudd will be conceding.
The scare campaign has to bite sooner than later...........
The scare campaign has to bite sooner than later...........
RemoteTiger said:
Stop playing the victim Remote....you and I both know Rudd has this in the bag.
The bookies say it. The polls say it. And the people will say it tomorrow.
Unfortunate...but hey....I get to post things like this for the next 4 years:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/teachers-approve-strike-over-pay/2007/11/14/1194766771526.html
Let the good times roll... :hihi
So I gather it is wrong for an employee group to request better conditions and if not forthcoming do what they can to get them - yet it is alright for an employer to negotiate down an employees wages and conditions!
That seems fair - that seems to be the Australian way NOT!
Why do you always take the view that the employee is wrong - just maybe - like around 50% of the time the employer is wrong too!
That seems fair - that seems to be the Australian way NOT!
Why do you always take the view that the employee is wrong - just maybe - like around 50% of the time the employer is wrong too!
Labor Wins! Sell your house!
Time to sell up peoples and move into renting. Bring on those 12%+ interest rates.
....If i could swear on this board, now would be appropriate.....
*smile*!
Time to sell up peoples and move into renting. Bring on those 12%+ interest rates.
....If i could swear on this board, now would be appropriate.....
*smile*!
ssstone said:
We better get that "Rudd Ineptness Thread" up and running soon mate, as I'm tipping it will double that Christianity one in the first year alone... :hihi
P.S: Yeah, Remote was just playing the 'conservative' approach...we all knew Rudd was going to get in purely because people just wanted a change, nothing more, nothing less.
They got their change...now let'em suffer... ;D