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Seeya Johnny. Very gracious farewell speech but as the people of Australia have said, "It's Time". :wavey

Congratulations Kev and Co on your emphatic win. :clap

Congratulations too Maxine. No matter which way the scales tip after postal votes are counted you obviously gave the people of your electorate a choice that was needed. An awesome effort to give the PM such a run for his money and maybe it indicates he did hang around too long.

I'm proud to live in a country where we have a democratic vote with no riots or shootings at election booths and after a lot of early disillusion with things I'm happy to have voted Labor and be part of this historical event.

I hope Kev can get a good balance in regard to workplace laws because they are terrible the way they are now and it's obvious plenty of fellow Aussies feel that way.

Livers you seem to have taken the result badly, almost personally. I have to admit a lot of your posts typified what I thought was bad about Johnny and the Libs and in the end you desperately putting words in others' mouths, making dishonest claims, flooding with links and journalistic opinions rather than your own ( then sometimes contradicting them) and making things personal and nasty at times helped, in some small way, make my mind up to vote Labor. Thanks for that. :hearton

I voted for my family, my kids and future grandkids. More power to the people. Here's to a united future where all Australians respect and care for others' and everyone has a healthy and happy future. :beer
 
Liverpool said:
I don't care whether Howard was the leader or not....I vote for the party that I think is better for this country, and of course, myself.
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The last bit of this sentence is where we differ. I voted for the best possible future for grandkids and not for a party that will make me personally better off.

I'll be happy to be worse off financially to ensure a better future.
 
Liverpool said:
I don't care whether Howard was the leader or not....I vote for the party that I think is better for this country, and of course, myself.
And I think having the ALP across the nation in State and Federal control for the first time since Federation, is bad for this country...hence why I am unhappy about it.

After taking over from another ALP *smile* up, I'm sure.
It's a vicious cycle Remote....the ALP stuff it up, then the Libs come back in and fix it...then people want change, so they vote the ALP back in again...then they stuff it again, so we vote the Libs back in again...
What we are seeing now is just this phase called 'change'....however the next phase int he cycle are the stuff-ups... :-\

Look at it at State level even.
Cain/Kirner stuffed it.
Kennett got us back our triple-A credit rating....then people wanted 'change'...so we got Bracks, now Brumby.
And what are we seeing now...teachers on strike, nurses on strike...

Now with the ALP in the Feds as well....they have taken over the country that is debt free due to the good work from Howard/Costello, after they received it from Keating like $96-billion in the red:

http://www.treasurer.gov.au/tsr/content/speeches/2006/008.asp

There are no excuses if we go backwards!
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How did labor stuff it up when Howard was treasurer; Labor was in Government from 03 December 1972 - 11 November 1975 after 23 years of Coalition government.

The Coalition had control of the senate; so how was it was all Labors fault.

Do not try to write revisionist history; also if Liberal's economic management is so great why have we had 6 interest rate rises since the last election after "honest John" promised he would keep it at a record low?

Why do you think that Liberals in NSW are so pathetic, maybe because of the Ultra Right Wing policies that do not appeal to mainstream Australian which John Howard used as his policy base.

The Liberals after the previous election had control of the Senate and took this as a mandate to rush through policies that the did not mention during the election.

Throw in scare mongering tactics, Howard and the Coalition though we where back in the Menzies era and lost touch with the man in the street [one of Howard biggest supporter base].

Social reform has always been done from the Labor Party [Creation of the forerunner to the UN, Pensions, Unemployment Benefits etc].

As for Tiger74 wifes statement, if it was not for Labors social reform with migrant and refugee intake she would not be here.

So she could have been classed as poor, so why would we help her start a new life!
 
Liverpool said:
I don't care whether Howard was the leader or not....I vote for the party that I think is better for this country, and of course, myself.
And I think having the ALP across the nation in State and Federal control for the first time since Federation, is bad for this country...hence why I am unhappy about it.

After taking over from another ALP *smile* up, I'm sure.
It's a vicious cycle Remote....the ALP stuff it up, then the Libs come back in and fix it...then people want change, so they vote the ALP back in again...then they stuff it again, so we vote the Libs back in again...
What we are seeing now is just this phase called 'change'....however the next phase int he cycle are the stuff-ups... :-\

Look at it at State level even.
Cain/Kirner stuffed it.
Kennett got us back our triple-A credit rating....then people wanted 'change'...so we got Bracks, now Brumby.
And what are we seeing now...teachers on strike, nurses on strike...

Now with the ALP in the Feds as well....they have taken over the country that is debt free due to the good work from Howard/Costello, after they received it from Keating like $96-billion in the red:
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Whilst I'm not even going to attempt to argue that the company is in a better position financially now than it was in 96 (that would be just plain stupid), you must go learn why we've had debt in the past. All governments in most Westernised countries ran deficiet budgets for much of the period post world war 2. It was common. It was accepted practice. It was only in the 70's and 80's that this practice was deemed outdated, and changed.

The Liberals have been the only government in Australian history to have a sitution called "Stagflation". High inflation, high unemployment and low growth. But modern Liberals can manage an economy responsibly nowadays, because the goal posts have changed. I'd expect Labor will change as well. The public largely won't accept bad fiscal management, and the second it looks like Labor are going to "stuff the place" they'll get kicked out. I'd imagine the ALP are familiar with this, and don't want to spend another 11 years on the opposition side of politics.
 
RemoteTiger said:
Livers, I doubt if Rudd will let our economy go backwards as you put it - for he is closer to a little 'l' Liberal leader than he is to a traditional Labor leader.
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That is what he has talked about, with another one of his slogans ("I'm an economic conservative").
The thing is there, he may be...but I don't think Swan has a clue, to be honest.

RemoteTiger said:
What I think you fear is the Labor far left getting their hands on power - Rudd has got Gillard very much on-side and it is her job to keep the far left in place. She is one tough minded women and I believe she will not take any crap from the hard-liners.
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I think any non-ALP voter is (and should be) worried that the lefties will have more power than Rudd has let on to the public...because we have been through this countless times, and it ain't pretty.
As for Gillard....yes...well....I have a sneaking suspicion that she is more ambitious than staying as some lowly Deputy PM or the like.
I'd go as far to say to Rudd that he better put a thick phone-book down the back of his shirt as the knives will be coming thick and fast from the Red Rooster and her Union cohorts.

RemoteTiger said:
With reference to your investment decreasing due to a Labor Government I think in the 1st instance there will be a slow down as the investors wait and see what Rudd is like - if - and yes it is an if - he displays his conservative economist beliefs and acts accordingly to keep the economy in balance without going to the huge surpluses that Howard allowed (for his war chests at election time) then I believe the investors will return - arguably more confident because they will see surpluses being invested in infrastructure and productivity growth.
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This is why non-ALP voters should be worried.
When someone like you uses the word "IF" about his perceived 'economic conservative' traits, then it staggers me what a risk people have taken voting this party in....all in the name of 'change'.
Well, these people are going to get change alright.

RemoteTiger said:
As for the strikes of the Teachers and Nurses in Victoria - they have a right to ask for better pay that is equal to their counterparts in other states - currently Victoria is lagging behind in this area. Once there is money injected into both the education and health systems from the Rudd government there should be an easing of the situation in Victoria - what could the Vic government do when the Howard government had held back billions of dollars from education and health? Find the money from thin air?
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Victoria is lagging behind due to the way Bracks/Brumby and co. have carried on.
All the other states are ALP as well and if they can give their nurses/teachers better pay then why can't Victoria?
Blaming Howard for holding back money is making up excuses for an ALP state government that can't govern and can't control their finances....simple as that.
Has always been this way and always will be.

RemoteTiger said:
You are right to be conerned about the hard-liners, far left - I am betting they will be kept in their place. Time will tell.
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Time will tell?
Doesn't sound too convincing.... :-\
 
rosy23 said:
Livers you seem to have taken the result badly, almost personally. I have to admit a lot of your posts typified what I thought was bad about Johnny and the Libs and in the end you desperately putting words in others' mouths, making dishonest claims, flooding with links and journalistic opinions rather than your own ( then sometimes contradicting them) and making things personal and nasty at times helped, in some small way, make my mind up to vote Labor. Thanks for that. :hearton
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Trust me Rosy....if I had any bearing on your vote, then your opinion must be very easily swayed. ;)
However, as we both know...you had your mind made up well before the election but just chose not to share it for fear of being on the 'losing team' and because I had said countless times that you were going to vote for the ALP.
It's nice to know I was right.......again. :hihi
I am on the losing team now....but with the ALP you helped vote in, we are now all going to be losers.
So thank you for that. :-*
 
Maxine McKew was disappointing in her speeches last night. Came across as a bit of nutter waffling on about 90 year olds and heaven.
 
jb03 said:
Maxine McKew was disappointing in her speeches last night. Came across as a bit of nutter waffling on about 90 year olds and heaven.
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She is a "celebrity" though JB....you don't need to know anything about politics to get voted in if you are a celebrity.
Let the people suffer now...they made their choice.
 
I thought Maxine was great. Came across as a genuine and caring about the people in her electorate. She wasn't exactly in a situation condusive to a deep and meaningful speech when she could harely hear herself think.

Very nasty wishing suffering on others Livers. A very ungracious loser and you sell the voters short. :rubhead
 
Liverpool said:
She is a "celebrity" though JB....you don't need to know anything about politics to get voted in if you are a celebrity.
Let the people suffer now...they made their choice.
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Dr Brendan Nelson was also a celebrity MP.
 
The worst i saw was Nicole Cornes. Rudd crapped on too long. I yelled at howard to smile off!

Turnbull looked like he was doing a dry run for his tilt at leadership.
 
Six Pack said:
The worst i saw was Nicole Cornes. Rudd crapped on too long. I yelled at howard to smile off!

Turnbull looked like he was doing a dry run for his tilt at leadership.
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Is Peter Costello a lame duck?

He seemed to try to do a future leader speech at his party HQ.

Since he and "Little Johnny" where a package deal and the Liberal have lost and Johnny looks gone what does that say for Costello!
 
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