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Panthera Tigris

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We can't alll work in Green endorsed industries or companies.
Not sure one needs to be a Green to believe that not paying your side of the mutual obligation that societies are built on is wrong. Or believing that bribing politicians for water supplies and running local farmers' wells dry, while resigning the local population to drinking the contaminated *smile* left over is wrong.

And I think we'd find the Greens would be vehemently opposed to my views on the cult of identity politics.
 
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eZyT

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Wasn't he also considered something of a champion of the Aboriginal people later in life as well? Had a feeling he formed sporting teams or something similar?

Yeah I had that nagging feeling too

Malcom Turnbull is considered something of a champion of climate change later in life as well.

But legislated for Adani mega-coal mine when he was PM.

Im not finding Tom Wills guilty,

just pointing out that history is littered with powerful people clambering to rewrite their epitaph.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Wasn't he also considered something of a champion of the Aboriginal people later in life as well? Had a feeling he formed sporting teams or something similar?
Wills was a discerning man. He played with Aboriginals as children and learned their dialect and songs. The Aboriginal kids asked after him while he was schooling in England, where he helped cure homesickness by adorning his room with Aboriginal artefacts. Whether or not Wills undertook it as a money-making exercise, his later coaching of and playing with Aboriginal teams demonstrated he saw Aboriginals as individuals and not faceless, generic "blacks" or "natives".

In Queensland, Wills snr, relying on his experience with Victorian Aboriginals, felt he had succeeded in establishing friendly relations and was rewarded with having his brains beaten out. It is indisputable that Tom Wills hated those Aboriginals and wished them dead. There is documented evidence that Wills recuperated at a nearby station while initial reprisals were carried out, with later justice effected under the auspices of the Queensland Native Police. It's possible Wills may have been present at one or more of these sorties; there just isn't any evidence for it. Until now.

Which brings me to the letter itself. Rife with historical inaccuracies, the writer appears to be under the illusion that the massacre occurred at the family homestead in Victoria (and that Wills' entire family was killed and had their heads placed on sticks), whereas Wills actually arrived at the massacre site three days after the fact, whereupon the bodies had previously been given a quick burial on account of the fierce heat. This is almost enough on its own to disregard the letter or at least cast grave doubt on its bona fides. Elsewhere the writer compares Aboriginals unfavourably with kangaroos and other native animals and opines that the country is better for their thinning numbers (while being generally disparaging of Australians in general). The writer's anonymity, and the fact the letter was written more than 30 years after the massacre and 15 years after Wills' own death, IMO demands that its contents be taken with a considerable quantity of salt.

Like many historical figues, he had many enemies and wasn't without his flaws, however I'll be extremely disappointed if he's "cancelled" as a result of this flimsy and somewhat fanciful account.
 
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eZyT

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If he and Palmer don’t take the vaccine and if they get it. They would be both gone. The impacts of obesity make it a death sentence for these two clowns.

they both would have been first in line for the vaccine.

textbook hateful cowardly *smile*

Palmer targeting indigenous communities with vaccine misinformation is a modern day strychnine in the waterhole.
 
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tigerman

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What a load of tripe from Frydenberg.

They won't believe Joshy boy, they'll know.


"Mr Frydenberg said if markets believed Australia was not acting on climate change, it could have an effect on households and small businesses."

 
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AngryAnt

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interesting that Frydenberg is playing the role of the bad cop dragging the LNP kicking and screaming towards climate reality. The leadership cadres have probably seen it as inevitable, but there needs to be a "debate" couched in economic terms to drag the rank and file into acceptance given they've been gaslighted by two decades of LNP/Murdoch climate change denialism.

There are signs that even Murdoch has accepted the inevitability of the science.
 
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Baloo

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interesting that Frydenberg is playing the role of the bad cop dragging the LNP kicking and screaming towards climate reality. The leadership cadres have probably seen it as inevitable, but there needs to be a "debate" couched in economic terms to drag the rank and file into acceptance given they've been gaslighted by two decades of LNP/Murdoch climate change denialism.

There are signs that even Murdoch has accepted the inevitability of the science.
Frydenberg has become more vocal, but it's coincided with News Limited/Sky's new mantra of nett zero in 2050.
 
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Sintiger

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Frydenberg has become more vocal, but it's coincided with News Limited/Sky's new mantra of nett zero in 2050.
Frydenberg is Fraudenberg in reality. He is just postioning himself to feed on SCOMOs carcass if they lose the next election.
He needs to be careful he doesn't lose his own seat. His seat of Kooyong and the neighbouring Higgins could easily move away from the LNP if a viable Zali Steggall type candidate appears
 
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tigerman

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interesting that Frydenberg is playing the role of the bad cop dragging the LNP kicking and screaming towards climate reality.
It's a shame that the Libs/Nats and the Greens didn't vote for the Emission Trading Scheme.

Instead of being dragged kicking and screaming to join the queue, we would be at the front of the queue.
 
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AngryAnt

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It's a shame that the Libs/Nats and the Greens didn't vote for the Emission Trading Scheme.

Instead of being dragged kicking and screaming to join the queue, we would be at the front of the queue.

The Greens really stuffed that up. The LNP can't see straight on this issue - but yeah, they had a chance to make it bipartisan and move forward, they chose to stick their heads in the sand to win an election.
 
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22nd Man

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This belongs in an indigenous thread, but they are just hateful places i dont go anymore, but this is a classic AFL response


And your beliefs about our indigenous/colonial history and our/your place in it,

are irrelevant in this instance i think.

The AFL didnt respond.
Martin Flanagan had a whole page in The Age On Satrurday to counter a lot of the factual content of the US paper.
 

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Gladys is returning to face further ICAC enquiries as to whether she breached public trust.
 

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