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So, apparently we live in a representative democracy.

The idea of this system is that we each get to send a representative to parliament who is our voice in the parliament.

Everyone is in an electorate, and each electorate gets a representative.

Right?

Well, not right when you have cheats in power.

You may have heard about the motion in the House of Reps, which over-ruled the decision of the speaker, to send the issue of Christian Porter receiving brown bags of money to fund his lawyers, to the privileges committee.

Now, the government has a 1 seat majority. So, if you do the numbers, the vote on the floor of the House should have been a tie, and the speaker would have the casting vote. Make sense?

So how did the government get away with this? How did they win a motion without the casting vote of the speaker?

Simple, they cheated the people of 2 electorates out of their elected representative in parliament.

Buried in an article on the ABC site are some details:

That was before the astonishing revelation emerged that the reason the government was able to defeat the vote to send the Porter matter to the Privileges Committee was because the government will not allow independent crossbenchers to vote remotely.

Haines says Dutton had told her it would be "impractical" for the government to include the votes of remote crossbenchers in divisions, despite the government doing so in the Senate since September 2020.

"The fact that MPs want to exercise their right to vote in parliament is not 'impractical'. It is a fundamental tenet of our democracy and parliament, and it is offensive to the constituents of the electorates represented on the crossbench," Haines said on Thursday.

"If the Leader of the House had not blocked the two crossbenchers participating in parliament remotely from casting their votes yesterday, the deciding vote yesterday may well have been with the Speaker."

Of course, the Speaker, Tony Smith, had told the House that he believed there was a prima facie case to be answered over the Porter donations and had urged the House to give precedence to referring the matter to the Committee.

So it would have been hard for him to have voted against the move.

Stopping MPs casting a vote.

Democracy: Hermit Kingdom style.
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That's right, stopping MPs from casting a vote, disenfranchising thousands of Australians because they voted the wrong person in as their local member.

This government and the parties they belong to, The Liberal and National Parties, will stop at nothing to cover up their own corruption.

This is the most corrupt government I've ever seen by a long shot, disenfranchising voters is so far beyond the pale. To do so in order to protect the corrupt activities of a member of the government is truly stunning.

Possibly even more stunning is how little coverage this has received, biased media? I reckon.

The full article is here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10...n-hermit-kingdom-canberra-democracy/100559028

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Sintiger said:
yes. I am no fan of the ALP as I find them rudderless and lacking a reason for being. However I am now firmly in the ABLNP camp , anyone but the LNP.
I have said before that I never thought I would see the day when I hated a government and a leader as much as the one under Tony Abbott but this one has taken grime in government to a new level.
I just want them out, I am ashamed these people run our country.
I am also a voter in Fraudenberg's electorate and I understand there is an active group forming that will have only one slogan, "vote Josh out". I honestly believe there is a real chance of him losing if the right candidate can be found, probably an independent will be required.
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I'd like to see Labor not run a candidate in Kooyong and force ppl to chose between #BaldTimSmith and a quality, locally focussed independent.
 
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BT Tiger said:
Interesting timing. Perhaps it's related to the voter ID bill the libs are trying to rush through parliament?
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Possibly.. I think there would be a number of the more ethical people in the LNP that would be unhappy in the way that the Porter thing was swept under the carpet.
 
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Possibly.. I think there would be a number of the more ethical people in the LNP that would be unhappy in the way that the Porter thing was swept under the carpet.
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Are there any ethical people still members of the LNP, unethical seems to part of their DNA now. I detest what they've become.
 
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Wonder if there's still people dropping off flowers to her office in sympathy after the big bad bully ICAC forced her to resign?

Not poor darling Gladys, the woman who saved Australia, surely not! :sarcasm

She is looking more like a common political crook every day of these proceedings.
 
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Pretty damning. What I find astounding is she is she seems a smart lady. WTF was she doing with this low life scumbag?

Perhaps it shows you how difficult life is for senior (and perhaps any) politicians. I imagine the hours/travel/demands/spotlight etc make relationships particularly challenging and they seek those in the system themselves? That political bubble appears so far removed fr4om the real world.

What a bottom feeder he is though.
 
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MD Jazz said:
Pretty damning. What I find astounding is she is she seems a smart lady. WTF was she doing with this low life scumbag?

Perhaps it shows you how difficult life is for senior (and perhaps any) politicians. I imagine the hours/travel/demands/spotlight etc make relationships particularly challenging and they seek those in the system themselves? That political bubble appears so far removed fr4om the real world.

What a bottom feeder he is though.
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I am curious about how they kept it quiet for so long. No secrets in poltics that don't get exposed by the media or opposition or enemies in own party. Hard to think that rhe Wagga bloke would not have let it slip? tAnyone who followed NSw politics 5 years ago see any hints of it in the gossip columns or poltical analysts. Even without any knowledge of scandal the media would normally be speculating on the romantic position of a high ranking single woman.
 
DavidSSS said:
So, apparently we live in a representative democracy.

The idea of this system is that we each get to send a representative to parliament who is our voice in the parliament.

Everyone is in an electorate, and each electorate gets a representative.

Right?

Well, not right when you have cheats in power.

You may have heard about the motion in the House of Reps, which over-ruled the decision of the speaker, to send the issue of Christian Porter receiving brown bags of money to fund his lawyers, to the privileges committee.

Now, the government has a 1 seat majority. So, if you do the numbers, the vote on the floor of the House should have been a tie, and the speaker would have the casting vote. Make sense?

So how did the government get away with this? How did they win a motion without the casting vote of the speaker?

Simple, they cheated the people of 2 electorates out of their elected representative in parliament.

Buried in an article on the ABC site are some details:



That's right, stopping MPs from casting a vote, disenfranchising thousands of Australians because they voted the wrong person in as their local member.

This government and the parties they belong to, The Liberal and National Parties, will stop at nothing to cover up their own corruption.

This is the most corrupt government I've ever seen by a long shot, disenfranchising voters is so far beyond the pale. To do so in order to protect the corrupt activities of a member of the government is truly stunning.

Possibly even more stunning is how little coverage this has received, biased media? I reckon.

The full article is here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10...n-hermit-kingdom-canberra-democracy/100559028

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I think the Vic upper house cross benchers who won't declare vaccination status are being denied vote unless they return to parliament.
 
BT Tiger said:
Wonder if there's still people dropping off flowers to her office in sympathy after the big bad bully ICAC forced her to resign?

Not poor darling Gladys, the woman who saved Australia, surely not! :sarcasm

She is looking more like a common political crook every day of these proceedings.
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Lie down with dogs and you'll catch fleas, and Gladys is infested with the little blighters, or maybe she gave them to Maguire.

I wonder what other skeletons she has got in the closet, would be quite a few I suspect.
 
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The Big Richo said:
Gladys is rolling with the George Costanza mantra, 'it's not a lie if you believe it'.

They play a phone tap where she literally calls Maguire her family and then she denies she thought he was her family.
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She should chuck herself in the draft..... exquisite evasive abilities .... has the ducking skills and certainly the age profile for the cats to seriously consider!
 
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22nd Man said:
I think the Vic upper house cross benchers who won't declare vaccination status are being denied vote unless they return to parliament.
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Not sure about that (I thought they were zooming in from an empty nightclub), but if it is the case, then same assessment - disgusting. If they want to run a system of representative democracy then they cannot deny representatives their vote in parliament.

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The Big Richo said:
I reckon the bloke grilling her would make a good tagger as well.
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Actually I'm not a huge fan of lawyers but he's extremely impressive. ... not a grandstander..... direct ..... unfazed.....and his bull sh!t radar is spot on target.
Don't imagine he'd come cheap, but if you were in the *smile* in NSW and he could act in defense. ... you'd want him on your side.
 
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