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No doubt Morrison campaigned better, but you have that the wrong way round Scooper. Labor had policies, ScoMo had the "promise of Australia for all Australians", and that was it, unless the status quo is a policy. Which it kind of is. The coalition or their proxies successfully ran disinformation campaigns on death taxes and negative gearing. They had their *smile* together with texts and Facebook campaigns.

Labor went too far the other way - too many policies, climate change and other proposals were successfully weaponised against by the coalition ("what will it cost - Labor are bad economic managers"). As mentioned Palmer's intervention in Queensland was important (hi @22nd Man) still waiting for you to reply, unless you just want to snipe.... which is also a fair strategy if you want to play it that way.

Election advertising options
1) None allowed, town hall meetings only
2) Publicly funded (probably based on votes at last election. Greens would benefit. Would A Willkie? Entrenches status quo, how do independents get a go?)
3) Capped (per party, candidate, state, electorate .... set up yet another taxpayer watchdog full of failed lawyers to monitor it)
4) No rich people allowed to pay for poltical advertising (pensioner donations allowed to bematched by rich people option)
5) Unions to levy their1.5 million members a mere$40 every three years to match Clive's 60. Fight fire with fire. ALP MHRs to divert their personal franking credits and negative gearing interest deductions to the fund also.
6) Advertising aimed at achieving a nefarious purpose like the election of ANOTHER candidate banned (assessment by tax payer funded panel of over paid bureaucrats)
7) No each way bets by donors. Donors to come clean on their real preferences (I had a look at the official register, many many ASX 200 companies give the same amount to the two major parties. Seems a waste of money when it is a fact that ALP policy is not influenced by donors whereas the Liberal party do anything their donors want.)
 
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Nobody really knew much about Scotty when he won, but a lot of weird stuff was going on around their campaign.
Clive Palmer for one. The lies about Labor introducing Death Taxes. Gladys Lius confusing signage in a very tight electorate. etc etc ...
On Gladys, ALP wasted no time once shops opened Saturday to get out and spruik their new candidate for Chisholm. At least third generation Aussie but pushing her "Italian heritage" to appeal to an electorate with a huge migrant base. Bringing a fresh perspective to the caucus by being a senior Union official. Diversity plus.
Last time it was two Chinese origin candidates. This time it isn't. Some will vote for Lliu because of her Chinese ethnicity, some will vote against her because she is. Are both decisions rascist?
 
Election advertising options
1) None allowed, town hall meetings only
2) Publicly funded (probably based on votes at last election. Greens would benefit. Would A Willkie? Entrenches status quo, how do independents get a go?)
3) Capped (per party, candidate, state, electorate .... set up yet another taxpayer watchdog full of failed lawyers to monitor it)
4) No rich people allowed to pay for poltical advertising (pensioner donations allowed to bematched by rich people option)
5) Unions to levy their1.5 million members a mere$40 every three years to match Clive's 60. Fight fire with fire. ALP MHRs to divert their personal franking credits and negative gearing interest deductions to the fund also.
6) Advertising aimed at achieving a nefarious purpose like the election of ANOTHER candidate banned (assessment by tax payer funded panel of over paid bureaucrats)
7) No each way bets by donors. Donors to come clean on their real preferences (I had a look at the official register, many many ASX 200 companies give the same amount to the two major parties. Seems a waste of money when it is a fact that ALP policy is not influenced by donors whereas the Liberal party do anything their donors want.)

Can't tell if this is satire or serious, some good proposals there however :)
 
On Gladys, ALP wasted no time once shops opened Saturday to get out and spruik their new candidate for Chisholm. At least third generation Aussie but pushing her "Italian heritage" to appeal to an electorate with a huge migrant base. Bringing a fresh perspective to the caucus by being a senior Union official. Diversity plus.
Last time it was two Chinese origin candidates. This time it isn't. Some will vote for Lliu because of her Chinese ethnicity, some will vote against her because she is. Are both decisions rascist?
I was talking about misleading how to vote signs, not anyones background or race.
But i understand your point. Political parties will do what they do it's pretty transparent.
 
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Can't tell if this is satire or serious, some good proposals there however :)
You threw down the gauntlet. Some are tongue in cheek but all could be argued as ways to limit advertising influencing elections. The Unions have to step up with cash not just run a racket to get their mates into safe seats. I assume the advertising palmer spent most of his money on was traditional print and broadcast? As far as I understand new media channels are exploited more productively these days. Do you limit spending / resources in these channels too?
 
You threw down the gauntlet. Some are tongue in cheek but all could be argued as ways to limit advertising influencing elections. The Unions have to step up with cash not just run a racket to get their mates into safe seats. I assume the advertising palmer spent most of his money on was traditional print and broadcast? As far as I understand new media channels are exploited more productively these days. Do you limit spending / resources in these channels too?

Dude,you failed to actually respond to what happened in the election and what Palmer said after the election - instead making a whole lot of waffle about what might happen maybe.

If you really want to respond to the challenge respond to it, don't deflect.

Or not, up to you.
 
About time someone wrote this article. I've been bagging journalists for twenty years for writing about politics as if it were a sport.
 
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I think it was tongue in cheek singt
Maybe, he said some was tongue in cheek so I thought I would check.

I don't like any donating for political influence and that includes Trade unions and clearly that money has a massive effect on ALP policy. One example was the merger of the CFA and the MFB in Victoria.
 
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Tingle and Grattan telling it like it is. Two strong, experienced women who don’t give a *smile* if they lose their jobs.

Thank *smile* for them.
 
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I don't like any donating for political influence and that includes Trade unions and clearly that money has a massive effect on ALP policy. One example was the merger of the CFA and the MFB in Victoria.

Agreed, donations to political parties should be far more restricted and advertising as well.
 
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Maybe, he said some was tongue in cheek so I thought I would check.

I don't like any donating for political influence and that includes Trade unions and clearly that money has a massive effect on ALP policy. One example was the merger of the CFA and the MFB in Victoria.

If you purchase anything from a company some of that money is going towards political donations if that company pursues that. If you work for a company then some of the profits generated from your work is going towards political donations.
 
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The problem with political donations is that you can stop donations to recognised political parties, but how do you stop other organisations and their advertising? You could end up with lots of front organisations raising millions and saying whatever in ads. Very hard to stop organisations advertising and saying whatever they want, even harder if they are buying advertising on social media sites which are not located in Australia.

Not sure what we can do but going down the road of the massive cost of elections in the USA is not a good option.

DS