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DavidSSS

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Don’t agree with everything Frick wrote but we are definitely heading for a large correction. Inflation going up, rates gonna rise and a lot of people are going to be struggling to afford their current lifestyle.

Not entirely convinced this will happen, depends to some extent on how much the US Fed is willing to prop up the markets. There is still a lot of money floating around looking for a return and with interest rates low some of this money is inflating the stock exchanges. As for house prices, I gave up predicting a slump in Australia a couple of decades ago. House prices in this country have solved the problem of gravity, not quite sure how, but house prices here are clearly not affected by gravity. The other aspect is that interest rate rises, which will happen (anyone with a mortgage should have fixed their rates last year when you could get a decent term of fixed rate at ridiculous interest rates) because the interest rates are at an historically low level - there is only one way they are going to move.

Clearly equities are over-valued but that does not mean they will fall. Nobody really knows what the future brings.

DS
 

MD Jazz

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Not entirely convinced this will happen, depends to some extent on how much the US Fed is willing to prop up the markets. There is still a lot of money floating around looking for a return and with interest rates low some of this money is inflating the stock exchanges. As for house prices, I gave up predicting a slump in Australia a couple of decades ago. House prices in this country have solved the problem of gravity, not quite sure how, but house prices here are clearly not affected by gravity. The other aspect is that interest rate rises, which will happen (anyone with a mortgage should have fixed their rates last year when you could get a decent term of fixed rate at ridiculous interest rates) because the interest rates are at an historically low level - there is only one way they are going to move.

Clearly equities are over-valued but that does not mean they will fall. Nobody really knows what the future brings.

DS
I'm a bit the same with house prices, couldn't imagine they would have kept increasing like they have. But prices of almost everything has gone and is going up. Every input cost (from raw materials to transport) into almost every product is increasing - and significantly. As you say it is only wages that haven't changed much. But given how challenging it is to get staff in many industries I think you will find wages will increase in many of those industries simply to try and attract workers.

Even small increases in interest rates will have an impact on living affordability for many.
 

frickenel

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Well that was a good laugh.

Just who are these "lefties" who have been running quantitative easing? Hmm, that would have been Trump, Morrison, Boris et al - raving lefties all. Plus, who exactly are they propping up? The workers who haven't seen real wages rise for decades in the USA, or years in just about every other country? No, they are propping up and bailing out the stock exchange and the rich.

Plus, what is this mysterious measure of inflation, apparently the "old measure" you talk of? The CPI has been measured the same way for decades.

Labor worse at economic management? Yeah, it was Labor in power when the mess that was the GFC happened, and we had no recession in Australia, can't say the same for the current government and the COVID pandemic. Laughable that people still believe this unsubstantiated BS that Labor are somehow terrible economic managers. But I suppose some are gullible enough to believe it.

Let's face it, governments don't control the economy, the rich, powerful, capital-owning elites do. It was the rich and powerful elites who caused the GFC and who constantly wanted to sacrifice peoples' lives and open up the economy rather than take sensible public health measures to control the pandemic. It is the rich and powerful elites who constantly have their hand out for subsidies whenever they hit a snag and governments who have to pay them to do things like develop a COVID vaccine.

DS
Did you notice what happened with interest rates whilst Rudd ran out the spending to "Save us"?

Go back and check the records since you're such an ecomomic genius.

You had the Reserve bank ramping up interest rates to get money out of the economy whilst all of Rudd's botched schemes ploughed more money in. The sub prime crisis was a Western Hemisphere catastrophe. Instead of dealing with maybe one quarter of negative growth, Rudd threw the kitchen sink at it, and blew our financial war chest.

Now le's talk about the rich elites that you are apparently against.

Were the elites behind Trump for example? No, Big tech, Wall St and every other multi billionaire went to war with him. Why ? Because Wall St has no benefit from his Corporate tax cuts, because they move their revenue off shore. His tax cuts benefit the guy who lives next door to us in a suburbab st who might employ 5 peo-ple at his company. A tax cut means he can employ a 6th, hence the record level of employment under Trump, record low unemployment of black, hispanics and women. The problem for the elites is that helping the middle class small businesses eats into their market share.

So i'm totally with you in relation to what the elites are doing, but you jost don't know which side to barrack for.

Anyone arguing that Labor would handle the ecomomy better than Liberal is kidding themselves, but sadly today they are only slightly kidding themselves as Liberal basically sit where Labort did 20 years ago, whils Labor now occupy the loony Green left territory.

Looking at "sensible public health measures" i can only guess you'll vote Liberal in the next state election considering Labor has been in charge of health for the best part of 20 years, with Daniel Andrews himself the health minister for a lot of that period.
 

frickenel

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I'm a bit the same with house prices, couldn't imagine they would have kept increasing like they have. But prices of almost everything has gone and is going up. Every input cost (from raw materials to transport) into almost every product is increasing - and significantly. As you say it is only wages that haven't changed much. But given how challenging it is to get staff in many industries I think you will find wages will increase in many of those industries simply to try and attract workers.

Even small increases in interest rates will have an impact on living affordability for many.
The sad thing is, that i think there will be a number of interest rate hikes.

Again though, when you look at the price of timber and other building materials, we are affected because these materials are going to the USA where they can get better prices, as Biden policies have driven the prices there so high.
 

frickenel

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we literally have the worst PM in living memory right now. Albanese would be much better, but the two party system of representative democracy we have now is pissweak, agreed. Of course we've had what, a decade of LNP leadership and yet you still want to blame the ALP. Ok dude.



A myth that has been frequently debunked in this thread. And here we are, under a liberal government that's in its second term but it's all the left's fault. Somehow.



Is your share portfolio under threat? Such a boomer problem to have. But yes, it's the fault of the "lefty" institutions I guess.



And how is neo-liberal economics the fault of the left?



I mean, billionaires have historically got rich on the largesse of subsidies and regulation/deregulation of governments, in Australia particularly so - look at Clive Palmer for example. This is corrupt. It's not really socialism and the phrase "billionaire lefty pricks" makes me cackle insanely.



The global form of capitalism with its attendant exploitation of workers, the environment, its rampant corruption, its cosy deals between business/government and militaries sucks.

However blaming this on lefties is outrageously insane.
Where do i start with you?

Expenditure................

One thing that's hard to take away once implimented is public expenditure. The media will basically maul you. Tony Abbott tried to reel it in after Rudd but had a hostile Senate that wouldn't pass anything. Clive Palmer who had a deciding vote in a lot of these cases makes me laugh now, as he blocked bills that according to his apparent beliefs he should have been letting through. I can only guess he wanted his fat head in the papers and the best way to do that was to be a disrupter.

Quantative Easing was invented by Barak Obama, and has been continued by successive administrations. It's been basically copied by us and every other western nation. It's been like a great social experiment. Over the last 15 years, most of the western world has been run by the lest, bar here where Liberal is a shade off being left and a 4 year period under Trump who was reigning in the expenditure until Covid hit.

Have a lok at Albanese trying to not shake Morrison's hand. He couldn't even do that with any conviction, putting his hands up, then out to shake, then taking it away whilst starting a nervous giggle like a 14 year old school girl being asked for her first kiss. Does that look like a leader to you? Is Morrison a leader? No, not at all, but Albanese???? FMD!!

Is my share portfolio under threat??

I don't have one.

My main income stream is the stock market, the NYSE to be precise. I don't trade our stocks as they don't move enough. I hold no bitcoin or Gold, though that might change ove rthe next few months, but i will wait for gold to drop slightly which it will when rates start to go up. Then i will buy.

In relation to the NYSE, if it heads south which i expect it to, i will make a small fortune as it drops. When i put my head on the pillow after trading (usually no more than an hour or 2), i will have nothing left on the table. I do not hold stocks over night. I mainly short stocks, Chinese ones being a favorite at the moment, though i took them long in the days just before Christmas as i knew ohers in longer term short positions would be exiting their trade before the year ended. To exit a short position, it's a "buy" action. So i rode them up for a few days.

I'm not sure if i mentioned in my previous post, but stocks were being sold off at the end of the day last week. At a guess, that's larger institutions starting to cash out.

When Governments print money, where do you think the banks are putting it?

Have a look at the PE ratio of US stocks, or for that matter the SP500 itself. A normal PE ratio would be around 20. It's been as high as 37. Anything over 30 leads to a serious correction. If and when (in my opinion when) this next crash happens, there will not be a V shaped recovery because the Fed wont be able to print money, give it to the banks s othey can jump in and buy the dip. It is a massive con on the average punter. Not on me, because i don't hold stocks over night, but on the likes of you who are sitting on your little spuerannuation nest egg and then watching it get smashed in half.

I cdon't have much more time to type much more, but on your last point who do you think the left are?

Who is controlling most of the global policies these days ? Would it be Brussells with all their Global Warming crap? Would it be Wall St who are clearly in favor of the Biden administration? Would it be the likes of George Soros who is pushing the US jusctice system to the extreme left by funding the electino of extreme left DA's?

On that point, look at the economic health of all the Blue states in the USA. They are riddled with homeless bums, with law and order completely out of control. Murders, car jacking , rape, you name it. It is all through the roor under democratic leadership.

There is a massive exodus from Californians to red states as we speak.

Lastly, look at who in the Republican party is against Trump. It's the Bush's, the McCain's, the Cheney's - all generational politial families making millions from their positions of political influence. That's what Trump meant when he said he was coming in to drain the swamp. He was attempting to put the power back in the hands of the people and take it away from these generational families getting rich on the public purse. How wealthy was Barak Obama before being President? How wealthy is he now?

Trump was paid a salary of $1 per year as President as he had to take some salary legally. He had nothing to gain. He was popular amongst Americans and even the left media until he upset the establishment.

Now we have the Bidens in there. The same Joe Biden who when appointed point man to the Ukraine in 2014, took his son with him who suddenly is on the board of the most corrupt company in the Ukraine. Ironically Biden was there to root out corruption. There's his son collecting almost 70k a month, can't speak Ukraine, no expertise in energy, he's just a useless prostitute *smile* crack head.

THen Biden goes to China. Whose getting on the plane with him? Crack head Hunter who in days comes back with a payment of 1.5 billion into his private company by the bank of China. Imagine if that was Trump's son?

Joe Biden is even stupid enough to brag on live TV about extorting a foreign government again the Ukraine Govt) where he threatened to stop payments from the US to the Ukraine Govt if a Chief Justice charged with investigating the company his sone was a new director of, wasn't sacked. In Biden's own words as he bragged to the audience. "Well Son of a *smile*, the prossecutor got fired"!

That alone in a normal world would have a president impeached, but we aren't in a normal world.

With all the money received by Hunter Biden from Russia, why aren't we taking about Russian Collusion in relation to Biden. His policies are favouring Russia to the point where they are now able to wage war on the Ukraine. That's right, that mess is Biden's to own as well. Without the Norstar pipeline getting the go ahead by Biden, the same pipe line Trump stopped, Russia has no way of getting their natural resources to Europe except through a pipeline that passes through the Ukraine. Now they have another option, and now the troops are all milling on the border of the Ukraine who no longer have the ability to cut off Russias income stream. I wonder how much of the moeny paid to Hunter Biden, who incidentally shars the same bank accounts with his President Dad, was paid for that favour?

Funny also how quiet the media is on the Steele Dossier now that it's been found to be a Hillary Clinton funded fraud. The inditements are rolling out on those responsible for that con right now as we speak. Just wait til lafter the mid terms where if expected, the Dems lose more than 50 seats, just how many investigations start to take place into this stuff.

It takes the left to weaponise the institutions that are supposed to hold them to account. Look at the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA and their roles in the Steele Dossier and the charges they;ve been bringing down on conservatives whilst ignoring the Clintons who can bleach hard drives and smash them with hamemrs before an enquiry, or who see mto be dragging their feet so slowly over the Hunter Biden lap top but furiously looking for anything they can find on the Trumps.

Look at outr own police right here who allow a BLM march no problems during a pandemic, but bash people in freedom marches. Or look at Bogut's recent treatment.

With all of the evils of socialism through history, so many still want to go down that path and put their stupid heads right in the noose.
 
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frickenel

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He also worked over 120 days straight during the lockdown, not much chance ANYONE in the private sector would do that, including the Owners/bosses etc.
You are *smile* kidding yourself buddy!

Do you have any idea how many hours have to be put in by business owners to be successful?

I was given an assignment in the late 90's to improve the output of the health dept and the dept of energy and minerals. I started with the Dept of Energy and Minerals first.

The first thing i did was start to measure how much workload was coming into the place and when i calculated staff hours relative to workload hours, it seemed they were at a surplus of staff hours of about 400% I KID YOU NOT!!!

Well these guys were doing everything they could to get me out of the place, that being the management. The staff didn't really know who i was.

Well, i made one little mistake that got me thrown out of there. I smashed the head of one of the staff into my desk and ended up on an assault charge. Beleive me i had my reasons. But i endede up out, and i can only imagine they are runnig at about 1200% surplus now.

Don't ever compare public sector bureaucracy with the private sector. This is where the useless in society go whe nthey have no real ability to survive in the private sector. You can go there and hide in the system forever.

Drag your feet in the private sector and you are out of business.
 

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Well, i made one little mistake that got me thrown out of there. I smashed the head of one of the staff into my desk and ended up on an assault charge. Beleive me i had my reasons. But i endede up out, and i can only imagine they are runnig at about 1200% surplus now.
F'n lefties. if the righties were running the show you would have got a promotion.
 
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You are *smile* kidding yourself buddy!

Do you have any idea how many hours have to be put in by business owners to be successful?

I was given an assignment in the late 90's to improve the output of the health dept and the dept of energy and minerals. I started with the Dept of Energy and Minerals first.

The first thing i did was start to measure how much workload was coming into the place and when i calculated staff hours relative to workload hours, it seemed they were at a surplus of staff hours of about 400% I KID YOU NOT!!!

Well these guys were doing everything they could to get me out of the place, that being the management. The staff didn't really know who i was.

Well, i made one little mistake that got me thrown out of there. I smashed the head of one of the staff into my desk and ended up on an assault charge. Beleive me i had my reasons. But i endede up out, and i can only imagine they are runnig at about 1200% surplus now.

Don't ever compare public sector bureaucracy with the private sector. This is where the useless in society go whe nthey have no real ability to survive in the private sector. You can go there and hide in the system forever.

Drag your feet in the private sector and you are out of business.


I do know what's involved in being in business from personal experience and many many friends who have their own businesses. I've never worked for the Public sector but I've worked with it in various situations & I know how it runs now & how it used to.
 
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Wow, the delusional conspiracies are running hot today. Barely know where to start with this rubbish. I'll just make 2 observations.

The ALP are neo-liberals on the economy, there is no way that they could be described as left wing. The LNP run IPA policies which are hard right nut job policies. We don't have a left wing alternative.

Nice observation about Trump reigning in expenditure, pity it is fiction. In Trump's first year in power US Govt expenditure as a percentage of GDP was 35.46%, by 2019 (before COVID) it was 35.81% - that's a rise. Obama did not invent quantitative easing and anyway the monetary policy argument about money supply and inflation has been exposed as fiction for many years - Japan has been pumping money into the economy since at least 1998 and they have had deflation at times.

I know using real world examples is inconvenient for the nice neat fictional theories of the market fundies, but the real world simply doesn't follow the RWNJ neo-lib models.

DS
 
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The sad thing is, that i think there will be a number of interest rate hikes.

Again though, when you look at the price of timber and other building materials, we are affected because these materials are going to the USA where they can get better prices, as Biden policies have driven the prices there so high.

We buy a number of products with different raw material inputs from timber to steel to aluminium to PVC. Every single item has increased in price 30-40% in the last 12-24 months. Shipping costs have gone from $2500 USD a 40' container (in peak season) to up to $10,000 USD a 40' Container in the last 2 years. Usually prices are seasonal so drop back post Feb/Mar and can be as low as $750 USD for a 40' in winter but they are not abating. The lowest they got 6 months ago was around $3500 USD.
Domestic freight costs have gone up & fuel prices are going up. The AUD/USD was averaging around 75c for a lot of the last 12 months but with US interest rates likely to go up faster than ours the AUD will be under pressure. Its down to 71 currently. Given so much of what we consume comes from OS prices simply have to rise as every input costs has gone up significantly.

We are looking to move away from China with manufacturing (India/Vietnam are showing promising signs but lack the logistical infrastructure China has). We are even looking locally to manufacture some products however when you pay $28-30/hour for labour in Aust v $5/hour overseas it makes it difficult to compete. I'm sure many companies are investigating doing things locally but most times the costs just don't stack up.

We deal with a major retailer, if we do not put prices up we will go out of business.
 
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AngryAnt

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I do know what's involved in being in business from personal experience and many many friends who have their own businesses. I've never worked for the Public sector but I've worked with it in various situations & I know how it runs now & how it used to.

Yes, these kind of generalisations are just stupid, I've worked in universities, public sector, and for the last 15 years or so in the private sector ranging from medium sized companies and large Aussie corporates, to huge multinationals. Some teams are high-performing, some aren't.

Waste is a common factor in all of these - just different types of waste. Small businesses run lean but are still inefficient through lack of scalabity and know-how on how to innovate/continuously improve. The bigger companies actually care less about waste - they are happy for a consultant like me to sit there doing nothing waiting for the team or indivduals to become available. Huge projects that go will go on even though the outcome is negligible - because it looks bad for an SVP or an EVP to kill the project, so they complete it even if the outcome is totally useless. I'm talking projects from 50 million to 200 million. Banks, I'm looking at you.
 
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Where do i start with you?

Expenditure................

One thing that's hard to take away once implimented is public expenditure. The media will basically maul you. Tony Abbott tried to reel it in after Rudd but had a hostile Senate that wouldn't pass anything. Clive Palmer who had a deciding vote in a lot of these cases makes me laugh now, as he blocked bills that according to his apparent beliefs he should have been letting through. I can only guess he wanted his fat head in the papers and the best way to do that was to be a disrupter.

Quantative Easing was invented by Barak Obama, and has been continued by successive administrations. It's been basically copied by us and every other western nation. It's been like a great social experiment. Over the last 15 years, most of the western world has been run by the lest, bar here where Liberal is a shade off being left and a 4 year period under Trump who was reigning in the expenditure until Covid hit.

Have a lok at Albanese trying to not shake Morrison's hand. He couldn't even do that with any conviction, putting his hands up, then out to shake, then taking it away whilst starting a nervous giggle like a 14 year old school girl being asked for her first kiss. Does that look like a leader to you? Is Morrison a leader? No, not at all, but Albanese???? FMD!!

Is my share portfolio under threat??

I don't have one.

My main income stream is the stock market, the NYSE to be precise. I don't trade our stocks as they don't move enough. I hold no bitcoin or Gold, though that might change ove rthe next few months, but i will wait for gold to drop slightly which it will when rates start to go up. Then i will buy.

In relation to the NYSE, if it heads south which i expect it to, i will make a small fortune as it drops. When i put my head on the pillow after trading (usually no more than an hour or 2), i will have nothing left on the table. I do not hold stocks over night. I mainly short stocks, Chinese ones being a favorite at the moment, though i took them long in the days just before Christmas as i knew ohers in longer term short positions would be exiting their trade before the year ended. To exit a short position, it's a "buy" action. So i rode them up for a few days.

I'm not sure if i mentioned in my previous post, but stocks were being sold off at the end of the day last week. At a guess, that's larger institutions starting to cash out.

When Governments print money, where do you think the banks are putting it?

Have a look at the PE ratio of US stocks, or for that matter the SP500 itself. A normal PE ratio would be around 20. It's been as high as 37. Anything over 30 leads to a serious correction. If and when (in my opinion when) this next crash happens, there will not be a V shaped recovery because the Fed wont be able to print money, give it to the banks s othey can jump in and buy the dip. It is a massive con on the average punter. Not on me, because i don't hold stocks over night, but on the likes of you who are sitting on your little spuerannuation nest egg and then watching it get smashed in half.

I cdon't have much more time to type much more, but on your last point who do you think the left are?

Who is controlling most of the global policies these days ? Would it be Brussells with all their Global Warming crap? Would it be Wall St who are clearly in favor of the Biden administration? Would it be the likes of George Soros who is pushing the US jusctice system to the extreme left by funding the electino of extreme left DA's?

On that point, look at the economic health of all the Blue states in the USA. They are riddled with homeless bums, with law and order completely out of control. Murders, car jacking , rape, you name it. It is all through the roor under democratic leadership.

There is a massive exodus from Californians to red states as we speak.

Lastly, look at who in the Republican party is against Trump. It's the Bush's, the McCain's, the Cheney's - all generational politial families making millions from their positions of political influence. That's what Trump meant when he said he was coming in to drain the swamp. He was attempting to put the power back in the hands of the people and take it away from these generational families getting rich on the public purse. How wealthy was Barak Obama before being President? How wealthy is he now?

Trump was paid a salary of $1 per year as President as he had to take some salary legally. He had nothing to gain. He was popular amongst Americans and even the left media until he upset the establishment.

Now we have the Bidens in there. The same Joe Biden who when appointed point man to the Ukraine in 2014, took his son with him who suddenly is on the board of the most corrupt company in the Ukraine. Ironically Biden was there to root out corruption. There's his son collecting almost 70k a month, can't speak Ukraine, no expertise in energy, he's just a useless prostitute *smile* crack head.

THen Biden goes to China. Whose getting on the plane with him? Crack head Hunter who in days comes back with a payment of 1.5 billion into his private company by the bank of China. Imagine if that was Trump's son?

Joe Biden is even stupid enough to brag on live TV about extorting a foreign government again the Ukraine Govt) where he threatened to stop payments from the US to the Ukraine Govt if a Chief Justice charged with investigating the company his sone was a new director of, wasn't sacked. In Biden's own words as he bragged to the audience. "Well Son of a *smile*, the prossecutor got fired"!

That alone in a normal world would have a president impeached, but we aren't in a normal world.

With all the money received by Hunter Biden from Russia, why aren't we taking about Russian Collusion in relation to Biden. His policies are favouring Russia to the point where they are now able to wage war on the Ukraine. That's right, that mess is Biden's to own as well. Without the Norstar pipeline getting the go ahead by Biden, the same pipe line Trump stopped, Russia has no way of getting their natural resources to Europe except through a pipeline that passes through the Ukraine. Now they have another option, and now the troops are all milling on the border of the Ukraine who no longer have the ability to cut off Russias income stream. I wonder how much of the moeny paid to Hunter Biden, who incidentally shars the same bank accounts with his President Dad, was paid for that favour?

Funny also how quiet the media is on the Steele Dossier now that it's been found to be a Hillary Clinton funded fraud. The inditements are rolling out on those responsible for that con right now as we speak. Just wait til lafter the mid terms where if expected, the Dems lose more than 50 seats, just how many investigations start to take place into this stuff.

It takes the left to weaponise the institutions that are supposed to hold them to account. Look at the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA and their roles in the Steele Dossier and the charges they;ve been bringing down on conservatives whilst ignoring the Clintons who can bleach hard drives and smash them with hamemrs before an enquiry, or who see mto be dragging their feet so slowly over the Hunter Biden lap top but furiously looking for anything they can find on the Trumps.

Look at outr own police right here who allow a BLM march no problems during a pandemic, but bash people in freedom marches. Or look at Bogut's recent treatment.

With all of the evils of socialism through history, so many still want to go down that path and put their stupid heads right in the noose.

There's a lot of stuff in there that I didn't even mention, but OK.

You've also veered into conspiracy theory territory with Biden's laptop, Trump never earned a cent during his presidency, the CIA is a left wing institution, etc etc. I love debunking conspiracy theories but have neither the time nor interest to go over these tired old tea-leaves. Be well.
 

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-Australian company. Dual listed on LSE and ASX. Pommy and Aussie to its bootstraps going back over 100 years. (It used to be called RTZ-CRA, A standing for Australia). The internal politics for control has wavered over the decades between the 2 countries. 2nd biggest mining company in the world behind the other dual listed UK/Aus behemoth BHP.

Theres a far bit of Hammersley Iron dna in there too is my understanding.
 

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Joe Biden calling the reporter a stupid son of *smile*. You would laugh if it wasn’t so serious.

No wonder his minders are trying to keep his profile down.
 

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Biden called the reporter a stupid son of a b!tch because he was acting like a stupid son of a b!tch. Then again, the reporter was from Fox . . .

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Joe Biden calling the reporter a stupid son of *smile*. You would laugh if it wasn’t so serious.

No wonder his minders are trying to keep his profile down.

If you wanted evidence that Biden still knows what time it is, calling that reporter an SOB even on a hot mike demonstrated it.
 
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If you wanted evidence that Biden still knows what time it is, calling that reporter an SOB even on a hot mike demonstrated it.
Interesting take. I consider it dangerous. How will he go with Putin? He can’t afford to lose his cool in such an unprofessional manner. Dan Andrews has shown time and time again that he knows how to deal with it.



Very Trump like that comment. Now people that don’t like him, or want to make a name for themselves will go after him to bait him up again.
 
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Very Trump like that comment. Now people that don’t like him, or want to make a name for themselves will go after him to bait him up again.

Trump stopped talking to reporters unless they were friendly reporters. Went as far as doctoring video to try and have a CNN reporter he hated charge on sexual assault charges.

Not sure Biden slapping a Fox reporter for an inane question is that Trump like. Biden did call said reporter afterwards and apologised, something Trump would never do
 
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Interesting take. I consider it dangerous. How will he go with Putin? He can’t afford to lose his cool in such an unprofessional manner. Dan Andrews has shown time and time again that he knows how to deal with it.

I mean you can go after Biden for many things, but having a crack at a dullard journo is not something I'd lose any sleep over personally.

Putin's strategy is very clear - he wants to weaken NATO and is playing brinkmanship over Ukraine - anything Biden says or doesn't say in a personal meeting or call won't change that one iota.

Putin's been doing this for 30 years.
 
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