Talking Politics

[RoarEmotion]

It's not only exporters diversifying, importers are looking at other markets like India/Vietnam/Sri Lanka. As an importer we have already moved to Sri Lanka and India with some products. India could be a massive trading partner, they are a much better fit geopolitically than China.

Many on this thread are basically encouraging us as a nation to turn a blind eye to China's shocking record as far as human rights, corruption, exploitation and complete contempt for international law because we sell stuff to them and get cheap stuff from them. Scomo lacks sophistication in diplomacy (amongst plenty of other shortfalls) but I'm not sure the answer is kowtowing to China as appears to being suggested.

Shouldn’t the goal have been to successfully force China to enable an investigation to the the root cause of why coronavirus started.

Not satisfy some emotional itch to call them out and score points.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a coalition of nations ask for the same thing vs going out first and being a sacrificial lamb?

That isn’t kowtowing, that’s just playing it smarter.

 

[Baloo]

Shouldn’t the goal have been to successfully force China to enable an investigation to the the root cause of why coronavirus started.

Not satisfy some emotional itch to call them out and score points.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a coalition of nations ask for the same thing vs going out first and being a sacrificial lamb?

That isn’t kowtowing, that’s just playing it smarter.

Though given the choice of working quietly behind the scenes with partners to achieve a desired result, or making a public announcement while acting strong, tough and righteous, ScoMo will always go for the latter.

 

[TT33]

Though given the choice of working quietly behind the scenes with partners to achieve a desired result, or making a public announcement while acting strong, tough and righteous, ScoMo will always go for the latter.

ScuMos attempts at Foreign Affairs are embarrassingly laughable, he's like a 10 year old kid on a push bike trying to run with the 18 year old motor bike riders.
ScuMo " Hi guys what ya doing?" Foreign Dignitaries "" Who is this goose, p1ss off back to Mummy kid"

 

[Brodders17]

This thread has gone exactly the way the Libs want the current political discussion to go- people arguing about whether we should "bend over" for China or stand up to them (whatever by those things mean.)

China are not going to invade Australia, and nothing we say is going to make much of a difference to them. it is all a political red herring to get the debate away from the record of our current inept mob.

 

[Ian4]

Many on this thread are basically encouraging us as a nation to turn a blind eye to China's shocking record as far as human rights, corruption, exploitation and complete contempt for international law because we sell stuff to them and get cheap stuff from them.

People criticise me for wanting to go to the world cup in Qatar because of Qatar’s human rights record on immigrant construction workers.

Do you know what my response is? Do you think Australia has a perfect human rights record? We are criticised around the world for our treatment of asylum seekers. We don’t have a perfect record on human rights, corruption and following the rule of international law.

People will argue that Australia’s record isn’t as bad as China or Qatar, but you’re never a little bit pregnant. You either are or you are not.

 

[HR]

Do you know much about international trade? When there's a vacuum, it gets filled in. The US did exactly what Australia would have done if the roles were reversed.

This vacuum is also the reason why we have still managed to sell just about everything China blocked us from trading. It just ended up in different ports.
The world didn't end because Xi got the *smile* with us.
I feel good about this whole scenario, personally this was a good call from the government. China do not gaf if Australia exists. China is about China.

 

[Nico]

The same many, if not more, who were more than happy to be part of the exploitation of China's workforce to get cheaper, bigger TVs and other electrical goods.

It's only after the same exploitation turned China into a global super power that people seem to have problems.

Definitely more than happy to deal with China during Hu Jintao's reign (2003 - 2013) when China emerged as a super power. China took more of a global role during his reign such as the G20 and tackling global climate change.

The world was hopeful Xi would follow on in a similar manner, but time has shown that this is definitely not the case.

Everything has changed with Xi, now the leader for life. He is taking China back to the days of Mao, who is the greatest mass murderer in history responsible for the death of somewhere around 40- 80 million of his countrymen.

The world is now a scary place.

 

[Nico]

This vacuum is also the reason why we have still managed to sell just about everything China blocked us from trading. It just ended up in different ports.
The world didn't end because Xi got the *smile* with us.
I feel good about this whole scenario, personally this was a good call from the government. China do not gaf if Australia exists. is about

Yep, Australia is now far stronger since the all eggs in the China basket days.

 

[HR]

This thread has gone exactly the way the Libs want the current political discussion to go- people arguing about whether we should "bend over" for China or stand up to them (whatever by those things mean.)

China are not going to invade Australia, and nothing we say is going to make much of a difference to them. it is all a political red herring to get the debate away from the record of our current inept mob.

You are holding the reddest herring in this discussion.
The gov called out the need to find out the origins of Covid, you know the one that has so far cost millions of lives and divided the world like never before. I'm sure you have heard of it.
China took offence.
We have benefited by china's aggression. And will continue to benefit into the future. China have a place in our future too its just not the same under Xi.
Move on about the red herring stuff please.

 

[Baloo]

This thread has gone exactly the way the Libs want the current political discussion to go- people arguing about whether we should "bend over" for China or stand up to them (whatever by those things mean.)

Yeah, it's a great example of how the Libs and compliant media intend to work this election. Shift focus onto something the government think will appeal to their base and debate that.

 

[HR]

Yeah, it's a great example of how the Libs and compliant media intend to work this election. Shift focus onto something the government think will appeal to their base and debate that.

Talk about drawing a long bow. This is more about the dominant left on this thread being unable to rationalise that not everyone sees the world through the same lenses.
As for the media influence well that all comes down to how smart some people see themselves and how they look down the nose at others. Australians are well educated as a whole and don't only see bias. Yes there is a small group on either end but generally most of us fit in the middle.

 

[Ian4]

Yeah, it's a great example of how the Libs and compliant media intend to work this election. Shift focus onto something the government think will appeal to their base and debate that.

its not working though. the latest Morgan 2PP is 57/43. Morrison is done for.

 

[Baloo]

its not working though. the latest Morgan 2PP is 57/43. Morrison is done for.

Nothing will work this time, but they'll keep trying.

Polls look ugly for #ScottyTheLiar

The Poll Bludger

 

[eZyT]

Listen I'm the wrong side of 50 with no military training, so I doubt I would be accepted in the Navy. But it there was a land invasion, I would fight like hell for this country. Would you join me?

The battlefied will be cyberspace,

So i think a PRE special crack team of online Richmond Men and Women,

Could be pretty handy.

Im in. I could completely bamboozle them with story on wechat.china

However, if it was traditional infantry war, an untrained 50 yo would be about as useful as patrick dangerfield in a prelim final

 

[Tigers of Old]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495899557934387206

You've either got it or you don't. Pretty sure Clive is ant vax..

 

[Nico]

Shouldn’t the goal have been to successfully force China to enable an investigation to the the root cause of why coronavirus started.

Not satisfy some emotional itch to call them out and score points.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a coalition of nations ask for the same thing vs going out first and being a sacrificial lamb?

That isn’t kowtowing, that’s just playing it smarter.

You do realise that Labour supported the callout for an inquiry. It was bipartisan. But go ahead and politicize it to fit your agenda.

 

[MB78]

It's actually been a blessing to a lot of Australian exporters...they are diversifying to other markets such as a sh!tload of barley going to Mexico, coal going to SE Asian nations who never got a look in as all coal was going to China. Sure there's a bit of short term pain, but this is making us much stronger.

This is true. Heaps of Barley now going to the Middle East as well.

 

[eZyT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495899557934387206

You've either got it or you don't. Pretty sure Clive is ant vax..

So if clive cancels, ticket holders will have to give him his money back right?

 

[RoarEmotion]

You do realise that Labour supported the callout for an inquiry. It was bipartisan. But go ahead and politicize it to fit your agenda.

I have no agenda mate and didn’t know this. I’m pretty apolitical and pretty disillusioned with both sides of politics and just voting for who won’t be the worst. It just seemed a dumb way to handle it. Do you agree it should have been handled differently or happy with it?

Would it have been bipartisan because to oppose being anti China investigation is also stupid politically? Moral outrage in Australia at how China handled it I imagine would have been widespread. So labor opposing the investigation would be easy point scoring for the libs on labor - although potentially the opposition should have called out that while they support an investigation, it needs the backing of other countries or something.

The guardian is obviously left leaning and the counter claim is that labour was never consulted but will remain bipartisan in support of foreign policy. So it’s support based on being bipartisan on foreign policy as opposed to really being support. https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ovid-inquiry-so-it-could-make-an-announcement

 

[eZyT]

I have no agenda mate and didn’t know this. I’m pretty apolitical and pretty disillusioned with both sides of politics and just voting for who won’t be the worst. It just seemed a dumb way to handle it. Do you agree it should have been handled differently or happy with it?

Would it have been bipartisan because to oppose being anti China investigation is also stupid politically? Moral outrage in Australia at how China handled it I imagine would have been widespread. So labor opposing the investigation would be easy point scoring for the libs on labor - although potentially the opposition should have called out that while they support an investigation, it needs the backing of other countries or something.

The guardian is obviously left leaning and the counter claim is that labour was never consulted but will remain bipartisan in support of foreign policy. So it’s support based on being bipartisan on foreign policy as opposed to really being support. https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ovid-inquiry-so-it-could-make-an-announcement

Currently, You get a far clearer picture,

Dwelling on policy that isnt bipartisan.

Off the top of my head; Federal ICAC, funding for public schools and hospitals, NDIS, funding ofuniversities, funding public broadcasters, funding public housing, making public companies transparent and accountable, entitlement to non-consensually sodomise school girls, selling the Murry River cheap to Angus Taylor and Barnaby Joyces mates, buying the Murry River back off angus taylor and barnaby joyces mate expensively, funding water meter readers to read angus taylor and barnaby joyces mates water meters, giving first australians constitutional representation, (i could actually do 1000 words), etc etc.

The notion 'theyre all the same' ' theres no difference' etc etc,

Is lazy, unadulterated, bullcrap

Really only Where the two parties are infuriatingly bipartisan, is suckholing to a hasbeen USA, refugee detention and accepting Secret bribes from big business.