Talking Politics

[Brodders17]

You are holding the reddest herring in this discussion.
The gov called out the need to find out the origins of Covid, you know the one that has so far cost millions of lives and divided the world like never before. I'm sure you have heard of it.
China took offence.
We have benefited by china's aggression. And will continue to benefit into the future. China have a place in our future too its just not the same under Xi.
Move on about the red herring stuff please.

the recent political discussion re china has nothing to do with covid.

The party that has spent the last 30 years using "defence" or "national security" as a shield to hide all sorts of info from the Australian public went into parliament and deliberately misused ASIO concerns- given in confidential briefings- about Chinas attempts to infiltrate all parties, to attack the Labor party, among other things calling Marles a traitor. ASIO were forced to go public to ask them to stop, and to clarify that the Morrison and Dutton were basically lying, and that the concerns were not just about the Labor party.
it was these attacks, no covid, not the recent laser incident, that has brought China back to the forefront of political discussion, and those attacks were not for the benefit of the Australian public, or Australian security- they were purely an attempt to gain political traction, and move the conversation away from all the current governments failures- Aged Care, the NDIS, robodeath, RATS, rorts, treatment of women, a federal ICAC, religious discrimination laws, and of course the utter disaster that is our ukulele massacring, do nothing, dishonest prime minister Scott Morrison, and his deputy Barnaby Joyce.

 

[Nico]

I have no agenda mate and didn’t know this. I’m pretty apolitical and pretty disillusioned with both sides of politics and just voting for who won’t be the worst. It just seemed a dumb way to handle it. Do you agree it should have been handled differently or happy with it?

Would it have been bipartisan because to oppose being anti China investigation is also stupid politically? Moral outrage in Australia at how China handled it I imagine would have been widespread. So labor opposing the investigation would be easy point scoring for the libs on labor - although potentially the opposition should have called out that while they support an investigation, it needs the backing of other countries or something.

The guardian is obviously left leaning and the counter claim is that labour was never consulted but will remain bipartisan in support of foreign policy. So it’s support based on being bipartisan on foreign policy as opposed to really being support. https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ovid-inquiry-so-it-could-make-an-announcement

I re-read your post, and I went a bit too hard on you having an agenda. Apologies.

I feel the same way...very disillusioned with both sides. ScoMo and Albo. Is that all we have?

Seeking a inquiry was the elephant in the room at the time. Everyone (the world) knew there had to be an enquiry into the outbreak to prevent something like this happening again. No one stepped up to the plate. We did. Was it the right thing to do? I don't know, but it had to be said. It was said and I back it. I would back it if the Labour party were in power at the time and they said it. Was the response by the CCP commensurate? Hell no.

I was bullied in school back in the day. I stood up to him one day, got a hiding for my trouble but he left me alone after that and went onto someone else. Anyway, that has shaped me when it comes to bullys.

I jumped on this thread last night, can't remember the last time I was here. Seems to be a lot of rusted on Labour supporters who think everything the LNP does is bad, everything Labour does it good. You know 2 things can be true. ScoMo can be a shocking leader and %$&@ up many things, but he can also make the right call by showing strength towards the CCP.

Going to be an interesting campaign on both sides.

 

[RoarEmotion]

I re-read your post, and I went a bit too hard on you having an agenda. Apologies.

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I was bullied in school back in the day. I stood up to him one day, got a hiding for my trouble but he left me alone after that and went onto someone else. Anyway, that has shaped me when it comes to bullys.

Thanks and no problem. I think we should have stood up to the bully but in a much smarter way. Punching them in the face is one way. A mob punching them in the face is another. I’m no diplomacy expert however.

 

[HR]

the recent political discussion re china has nothing to do with covid.

The party that has spent the last 30 years using "defence" or "national security" as a shield to hide all sorts of info from the Australian public went into parliament and deliberately misused ASIO concerns- given in confidential briefings- about Chinas attempts to infiltrate all parties, to attack the Labor party, among other things calling Marles a traitor. ASIO were forced to go public to ask them to stop, and to clarify that the Morrison and Dutton were basically lying, and that the concerns were not just about the Labor party.
it was these attacks, no covid, not the recent laser incident, that has brought China back to the forefront of political discussion, and those attacks were not for the benefit of the Australian public, or Australian security- they were purely an attempt to gain political traction, and move the conversation away from all the current governments failures- Aged Care, the NDIS, robodeath, RATS, rorts, treatment of women, a federal ICAC, religious discrimination laws, and of course the utter disaster that is our ukulele massacring, do nothing, dishonest prime minister Scott Morrison, and his deputy Barnaby Joyce.

I cannot wait for the second coming of the nirvana. First dimma and team brought it to us from 2017 to 2020. Now we are about to be fortunate enough to have the second coming, Albo and Co a nirvana with so much promise.
I hope you lot are not disappointed with the future. I'm not holding my breath, if it's better it will be good if not my expectations of pollies remains.

 

[DavidSSS]

Oh, if Albo gets in I will definitely be disappointed in the government he leads. Not half as disappointed as I am with the current incompetents. If we have to put up with government at least they can be competent, oh, and entertaining is distracting too and this mob are boring.

The whole China/COVID enquiry thing is not as clear cut as some make out. The real question here is what was out government up to? Was it standing up to a bully and trying to get to the truth of the pandemic's origins, or, was it point scoring for domestic political advantage? I'll let people judge for themselves, but, let's face it, the government's call for some sort of enquiry into the origins of COVID were never, ever, going to elicit any useful info from the Chinese. We were more likely to get useful info which could save lives in the next pandemic with quiet diplomacy.

DS

 

[AngryAnt]

I cannot wait for the second coming of the nirvana. First dimma and team brought it to us from 2017 to 2020. Now we are about to be fortunate enough to have the second coming, Albo and Co a nirvana with so much promise.
I hope you lot are not disappointed with the future. I'm not holding my breath, if it's better it will be good if not my expectations of pollies remains.

It's been amusing watching the extreme degree of panic in this thread from you about a possible Labor government. And you throw out the strawman that the Left here thinks Albo is the 'second coming'. I've not seen one person on this thread claim any such thing - the position has been "we just want a competent government, a less corrupt government, an ICAC, a carbon emissions policy that is not just a vague commitment that ScoMo can't even get through the party rooms, a coherent energy policy, maybe some science, technology, innovation, and education please". We feel that Labor would give us some chance of these things against the absolutely do nothing/PR stunt crew that we've had for the last two terms.

As Baloo (I think) said - at least Abbott had convictions. Even if they were insane, from the 1950s and fundamentalist - he at least had them. This mob has nothing except a desire to get rich and stay in office in order to get richer.

Let's be real here - Albo and his front bench are at least equally capable as Morrison's. It's pretty easy to argue that given the total inertia of government policy in Morrison's administrations that it's a dead cert that Labor will get more done - it wouldn't be hard. What has Morrison done in two terms? OK, we've had Covid to contend with but you can easily make the case that even the no-brainer responses his admin has botched. What's Barnyard done for farmers - he shacked up with a staffer and got a few more rugrats but what else? What's Angus done for energy? What major financial or tax reforms has Josh F made? Defense? Morrison and Payne kicked the submarine can down the road again so we might get new subs in 2038 or something, maybe.

Even Morrison's Hillsong Protection Religious Freedom bill - his flagship bill that he dithered and procrastinated around for 3 years - could not survive even the moderates within his own party. After 3 years of preparation. ICAC? Sorry, Michaelia said "we don't have time for that now". What has she been doing for the last 5 years?

How Labor do in one or two terms is of course unknown, but you can bet they'll actually make policy and do things. Maybe that's the problem for you.

 

[tigerman]

What has Morrison done in two terms?

I await with interest the answer to this question.

 

[Baloo]

He's washed a woman's hair.

 

[Brodders17]

As Baloo (I think) said - at least Abbott had convictions.

I think that was me.

 

[Brodders17]

I cannot wait for the second coming of the nirvana. First dimma and team brought it to us from 2017 to 2020. Now we are about to be fortunate enough to have the second coming, Albo and Co a nirvana with so much promise.
I hope you lot are not disappointed with the future. I'm not holding my breath, if it's better it will be good if not my expectations of pollies remains.

are you scott morrison? you seem to have the same grasp on reality.

almost no one on here is saying Labor is great. most are saying Labor have at least achieved something when in government recently. And many are saying this is the WORST federal government in Australia's history, led by the worst PM.

all you seem to be saying is "what about Labor?!?"

 

[MB78]

Will be interesting what comes of this. Lots of bad blood with CFA volunteers over what happened through this period.

IBAC probe into Andrews government dealings with union nearing completion as legal veil lifts

The development will increase pressure on Premier Daniel Andrews to break his long-running silence about the investigation into the firefighters’ union and its dealings with the government.

www.theage.com.au

 

[MB78]

He's washed a woman's hair.

Also a gun at welding.

 

[Baloo]

I think that was me.

We've never been seen in the same room together.

 

[HR]

It's been amusing watching the extreme degree of panic in this thread from you about a possible Labor government. And you throw out the strawman that the Left here thinks Albo is the 'second coming'. I've not seen one person on this thread claim any such thing - the position has been "we just want a competent government, a less corrupt government, an ICAC, a carbon emissions policy that is not just a vague commitment that ScoMo can't even get through the party rooms, a coherent energy policy, maybe some science, technology, innovation, and education please". We feel that Labor would give us some chance of these things against the absolutely do nothing/PR stunt crew that we've had for the last two terms.

As Baloo (I think) said - at least Abbott had convictions. Even if they were insane, from the 1950s and fundamentalist - he at least had them. This mob has nothing except a desire to get rich and stay in office in order to get richer.

Let's be real here - Albo and his front bench are at least equally capable as Morrison's. It's pretty easy to argue that given the total inertia of government policy in Morrison's administrations that it's a dead cert that Labor will get more done - it wouldn't be hard. What has Morrison done in two terms? OK, we've had Covid to contend with but you can easily make the case that even the no-brainer responses his admin has botched. What's Barnyard done for farmers - he shacked up with a staffer and got a few more rugrats but what else? What's Angus done for energy? What major financial or tax reforms has Josh F made? Defense? Morrison and Payne kicked the submarine can down the road again so we might get new subs in 2038 or something, maybe.

Even Morrison's Hillsong Protection Religious Freedom bill - his flagship bill that he dithered and procrastinated around for 3 years - could not survive even the moderates within his own party. After 3 years of preparation. ICAC? Sorry, Michaelia said "we don't have time for that now". What has she been doing for the last 5 years?

How Labor do in one or two terms is of course unknown, but you can bet they'll actually make policy and do things. Maybe that's the problem for you.

There is no problem from me here. I'm not that invested.
Certainly no panic.
It just not going to play out the way most on here wish. And regardless of how certain posters on here wish to portray themselves as fair minded people, if my crazy aunty was to follow this thread she would be turning even crazier.
Time will tell though regarding the opposition front bench, I just wished they made wholesale changes post the last election. My opinion is that they missed a trick but it won't really make any difference due to the current governments term.

 

[HR]

are you scott morrison? you seem to have the same grasp on reality.

almost no one on here is saying Labor is great. most are saying Labor have at least achieved something when in government recently. And many are saying this is the WORST federal government in Australia's history, led by the worst PM.

all you seem to be saying is "what about Labor?!?"

Is it wrong that after losing the last election to the worst government in the history of the world I suggested they should have made wholesale changes? If this government went through with let's say, less dramas and failures, the ALP would probably lose the next election too. The front bench doesn't inspire they will just get there by default because the other side have failed.
This is what the posters on here want!

 

[AngryAnt]

There is no problem from me here. I'm not that invested.
Certainly no panic.
It just not going to play out the way most on here wish. And regardless of how certain posters on here wish to portray themselves as fair minded people, if my crazy aunty was to follow this thread she would be turning even crazier.

Dude, play however you like, it's a free country. No one cares how you "play", there aren't any "rules" except being moderately civil to each other. Your frenetic posting about how terrible Albo's front bench is tells us just how invested in it you are.

As for your auntie, I'd suggest to avoid craziness she should start by asking why you've hallucinated that we said Albo is the Second Coming and a Labor government would be Nirvana.

 

[AngryAnt]

Is it wrong that after losing the last election to the worst government in the history of the world I suggested they should have made wholesale changes? If this government went through with let's say, less dramas and failures, the ALP would probably lose the next election too. The front bench doesn't inspire they will just get there by default because the other side have failed.
This is what the posters on here want!

Like I said, most of us want :

An ICAC with teeth
A real emissions reduction strategy and a coherent energy policy
A real environment policy
Less graft and corruption
A government that is focused on policy and not PR stunts
A real education policy that deals with Australia's current situation
A real policy around technology, R&D and innovation
An end to religious influence on government

That's just off the top of my head. If Labor can at least start on those they'll be doing much better than what we've seen the last four years or so.

 

[Smilliedell]

Ukraine anyone?
Will this result in Ukraine joining the EU and NATO?
Or Russia setting up shop in Kiev?

In political terms its a great distraction for Boris, but a more difficult one for Biden.

Hard to see any winners out of this

 

[eZyT]

The front bench doesn't inspire they will just get there by default because the other side have failed.

Albonese, wong and Plibersek

would lap

Morrisson, joyce and Frydenberg

in a game of trivial pursuit

 

[eZyT]

Ukraine anyone?
Will this result in Ukraine joining the EU and NATO?
Or Russia setting up shop in Kiev?

In political terms its a great distraction for Boris, but a more difficult one for Biden.

Hard to see any winners out of this

I can certainly tend to the dramatic in affairs of the globe TD,

so,

I think Russia is about to provide a very big distraction,

while China take Taiwan (both territories are similarly nostalgic, regionally strategic splinters under the respective leaders fingernails).

Im no military strategist or analyst,

but I think the world can handle China OR Russia, but not both, on two fronts, 8000km apart, and in cyberspace

I think they're playing a very long game involving stages of

destabilising democracies around the world; dividing western societies with misinformation; (It's pretty unlikely, but I'm not ruling out foisting a virus on the world in this strategic context); divide the attention of western allies to the west and to the east (didnt Japan and Germany do just that in the 40's?); and

establish a new world order.

this may be fanciful, and It may or may not be successful,

but something I know for certain,

we DO NOT want Barnaby Joyce as commander in chief of our fittest, breeding age men and women

anytime, let alone in a period of intense global instability.