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As predicted, plenty of photos from SloMo's personal photographer. Was there any press coverage of the protesters outside his media briefing or had they been moved on by then?

I'd like to think that most Australians can see right through his deplorable tactics now. A massive smashing in the election is what the Libs need to have a chance to rebuild itself into a party closer to Menzies ideals, but I fear it may go the other way much like the Republicans in the US where it's the bottom feedings scum that takes over the party.

Either way, let's hope a real ICAC with teeth and powers to investigate corruption of the past is the first thing Albo brings in. I would like nothing more than to read that the corruption of this government be exposed and the ministers responsible behind bars.

But the fear is like the US and Biden, we will be disappointed in the next Government, despite being a *smile* of a lot better then our current one.
 
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I missed the announcement of a submarine base being built on the east coast. You'd think the best place to build it would be in Darwin. Shame SloMo sold the Port of Darwin to Australia's Greatest Threat of All Time.
 
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I now have little doubt this government will get smashed at the election. I think we'll see more Independents in Parliament than ever before. True, local voices with principles and a chip on their shoulder who will force Labor to be brave enough to do what needs to be done. It would be nice for Labor to win by such a margin that they stand no chance of defeat in 2025 and can get on with governing with foresight, compassion, intelligence, justice and free of vested interests.

Ha!
 
@eZyT you'd know better than me, the Nationals are surely cooked in Page, but I feel a popular, well-known Independent would do better than Labor? Lismore mayor Steve Krieg? Is he popular?
 
@eZyT you'd know better than me, the Nationals are surely cooked in Page, but I feel a popular, well-known Independent would do better than Labor? Lismore mayor Steve Krieg? Is he popular?

If lismore mayor was in the house of reps,

Itd be time to put a solar panel on the bunker and grab the 17 flag dvd and bolt the door.

hogan has to go; a member of the joyce accountant in acubra faction. Dunno who labor candidate in Page is? Telling.

Janelle Saffin in Lismore, which got redistributed, is good. I wouldnt hesitate to vote for her,

But ill be voting for a vaccinated independent in Page whose preferencing Labor first and Hogan last

* kreig lismore mayor is a National stooge. Noone knew him until he outspent everyone 10 fold with grubby Nationals pork
 
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I now have little doubt this government will get smashed at the election. I think we'll see more Independents in Parliament than ever before. True, local voices with principles and a chip on their shoulder who will force Labor to be brave enough to do what needs to be done. It would be nice for Labor to win by such a margin that they stand no chance of defeat in 2025 and can get on with governing with foresight, compassion, intelligence, justice and free of vested interests.

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It would be great if Labor are to win the election without needing the support of those mongrel Greens, fancy not supporting the Emission Trading Scheme !!!!
 
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The Greens are student politicians.

They're all student politicians, every party trains cadre in student politics, I know, I remember having to deal with those arseholes who were way more interested in their future political careers than anything to do with education, universities and students.

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Being a student politician should ban you from adult politics. Or we could ban student politics as students should be learning and not politicking because they don't have the knowledge or life experience, so just shut up for a decade or two.

We need to eliminate career politicians on all sides.
 
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Being a student politician should ban you from adult politics. Or we could ban student politics as students should be learning and not politicking because they don't have the knowledge or life experience, so just shut up for a decade or two.

We need to eliminate career politicians on all sides.
Yep, school debating teams turn out ***** like Christian Porter.
 
Should be the final nail in the coffin.
Yep, school debating teams turn out ***** like Christian Porter.


‘They will never forget, never forgive’: Flood backlash tipped at polls​


Kevin Hogan is very angry with Shane Stone. “Grossly insensitive” is how Hogan described last week’s intervention by the National Recovery and Resilience Agency Co-ordinator-General when he effectively blamed flood victims for their misfortune by telling Nine mastheads: “You’ve got people who want to live among the gum trees – what do you think is going to happen? Their house falls in the river, and they say it’s the government’s fault.”

Stone, appointed to the job by Scott Morrison to help people in the regions cope with floods and fires, apparently didn’t get his own memo, the infamous “mean and tricky” letter he sent to John Howard in 2001 warning the then-prime minister to be more responsive to suffering Australians, saying voters thought his government was dysfunctional and out of touch.

Hogan, a National, is the federal member for Page, which includes the devastated city of Lismore. He says the locals are traumatised. The last thing they needed was Stone’s cold-hearted observations. “We are absolutely wiped out,” Hogan told me. “We know floods. Everyone knows what to do. Everyone had prepared.”
But no matter how much they prepared, they could not spare themselves or their community the devastation. He says residents had been advised on the Sunday flood water levels would reach 11.5 metres. They reached 14.5 metres. They woke in the early hours of the next morning to find water invading their homes. Hogan’s electorate office was subsumed and there was some damage to his property, but he dismisses what happened to him as “insignificant” compared to what so many others suffered.

Hogan says he contacted the Defence Minister Peter Dutton at 6am on the day the water rose higher than had been predicted – more than 10 days ago – asking for urgent help.
As the disaster unfolded, with people who had lost everything decrying the failure of governments at every level to provide timely help, Hogan was reluctant to buy in, saying he is not even thinking about what retribution might follow at the election after the slow, inadequate response. Instead, he is focussing on what needs to be done. “We are now big time into the clean-up,” he said.


Hogan’s colleagues say he is heartbroken by the destruction. They also say he has done everything he possibly can to help during the crisis and because he is such a good local member he will withstand any blowback to hold on to the seat, which has a margin of 9.4 per cent.

His neighbour in the electorate of Richmond, Labor’s Justine Elliot, thinks otherwise. She believes people who waited anxiously to be rescued, who then had to wait days for food and water, who were left without any communications, not even able to dial triple zero or produce the necessary identification to access emergency payments because everything they owned was destroyed, will remain committed to punishing state and federal governments for what they have endured.

Elliott, every bit as distraught as Hogan is by the utter devastation, and as angry with Stone’s comments which she described as “sickening,” says people cannot understand why in Australia today, after so many disasters over so many years, it took so long for help to arrive.
“In the coming weeks, what we will see is people really heartened by the community response and how important it has been in the absence of government,” she said. “They will never forget and never forgive.”
She said the same sentiment which existed in her electorate, was also coming very strongly across from Page: “The government has abandoned us.”
Federal cabinet ministers are acutely aware of the dangers posed by the floods and the aftermath for the survival of the Morrison government. They know the pain will continue for a long time, for months, even years while people go through the agony of trying to rebuild their lives.

If a central issue of election campaigns is competence, or rather perceptions of incompetence, then clearly both the NSW and federal governments are in dire straits after the floods.

Unlike Morrison, at least the NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet didn’t play silly buggers with the media when he visited the shattered communities. He resolutely bore the brunt of the anger of those directly affected in public, on the street, in front of cameras, then admitted the response should have been better.

Arguing it was for privacy reasons despite the presence of his official photographer, but obviously fearing a repeat of Cobargo where he tried to force angry bushfire victims to shake his hand, Morrison excluded media from his first two meetings in Lismore on Wednesday.

He would have won more respect if he had done what Perrottet did. Everyone knows he couldn’t get there sooner because he was in iso’ with COVID-19. But as Labor’s Murray Watt said, that should not have stopped him declaring a national emergency sooner. Then having got there, he should not have acted like such a chicken. It detracted from the substantial aid package he announced while guaranteeing a rerun of the Cobargo footage.
Unfortunately for Morrison, partly because he will face voters first – by May 21 at the latest – he stands to be the one who will lose the most from this latest disaster.

One determinedly optimistic cabinet minister insisted earlier this week that despite what he frankly acknowledged as the “animosity” of voters towards Morrison, the government can still win because of its national security and economic management credentials.

However, if the maxim popularised by American politician Tip O’Neill, that all politics is local, remains true, then Morrison could struggle to make up enough ground to give the Coalition a fourth term.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, musings over where the fabled nuclear submarines will be housed, accompanied by warnings from Morrison that this is no time for amateurs, are unlikely to swing votes. Not when memories of his absence during the black summer bushfires remain, not when his bungles on COVID are catalogued, not when he talks about crises abroad yet appears incapable of dealing properly with the ones in his own backyard.


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Marcus and Leonie Bebb who have lost their house in Lismore waited outside the Norco factory where the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, was having a tour.

NSW floods

Marcus wanted five minutes with Scott Morrison. The flood victim was told the PM had no time

However, if the maxim popularised by American politician Tip O’Neill, that all politics is local, remains true, then Morrison could struggle to make up enough ground to give the Coalition a fourth term.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, musings over where the fabled nuclear submarines will be housed, accompanied by warnings from Morrison that this is no time for amateurs, are unlikely to swing votes. Not when memories of his absence during the black summer bushfires remain, not when his bungles on COVID are catalogued, not when he talks about crises abroad yet appears incapable of dealing properly with the ones in his own backyard.


 
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Being a student politician should ban you from adult politics. Or we could ban student politics as students should be learning and not politicking because they don't have the knowledge or life experience, so just shut up for a decade or two.

We need to eliminate career politicians on all sides.

An interesting take.

I would wholeheartedly agree that the dominance of career politicians is a travesty, way too many people go from student politics to unions, party think tanks, advisor jobs, etc to members of parliament. Ben Chifley was a train driver who rose through union positions to parliament, in the current environment that just seems impossible.

I would also ban lawyers - parliament makes laws, clear conflict of interest. Anyway, we'd all be better off with lawyers out of the decision making process. Sorry to any lawyers here but I have a fairly low opinion of lawyers!

Maybe we should have term limits for all members of parliament, rules out careerists. Would need to restrict what they could do after as well though as they do 2 terms and then hire themselves out for their contacts.

On the other hand, as someone who was involved in student politics, the skills you learn can be invaluable. I was not party affiliated, that's a bit out of scope as an anarchist! But I have used so many of the skills I learned in numerous jobs. Public speaking skills, meeting skills, negotiating skills etc. Add this to the education you get at uni and that student politics training can be very useful.

DS
 
Should be the final nail in the coffin.



‘They will never forget, never forgive’: Flood backlash tipped at polls​


Kevin Hogan is very angry with Shane Stone. “Grossly insensitive” is how Hogan described last week’s intervention by the National Recovery and Resilience Agency Co-ordinator-General when he effectively blamed flood victims for their misfortune by telling Nine mastheads: “You’ve got people who want to live among the gum trees – what do you think is going to happen? Their house falls in the river, and they say it’s the government’s fault.”

Stone, appointed to the job by Scott Morrison to help people in the regions cope with floods and fires, apparently didn’t get his own memo, the infamous “mean and tricky” letter he sent to John Howard in 2001 warning the then-prime minister to be more responsive to suffering Australians, saying voters thought his government was dysfunctional and out of touch.

Hogan, a National, is the federal member for Page, which includes the devastated city of Lismore. He says the locals are traumatised. The last thing they needed was Stone’s cold-hearted observations. “We are absolutely wiped out,” Hogan told me. “We know floods. Everyone knows what to do. Everyone had prepared.”
But no matter how much they prepared, they could not spare themselves or their community the devastation. He says residents had been advised on the Sunday flood water levels would reach 11.5 metres. They reached 14.5 metres. They woke in the early hours of the next morning to find water invading their homes. Hogan’s electorate office was subsumed and there was some damage to his property, but he dismisses what happened to him as “insignificant” compared to what so many others suffered.

Hogan says he contacted the Defence Minister Peter Dutton at 6am on the day the water rose higher than had been predicted – more than 10 days ago – asking for urgent help.
As the disaster unfolded, with people who had lost everything decrying the failure of governments at every level to provide timely help, Hogan was reluctant to buy in, saying he is not even thinking about what retribution might follow at the election after the slow, inadequate response. Instead, he is focussing on what needs to be done. “We are now big time into the clean-up,” he said.


Hogan’s colleagues say he is heartbroken by the destruction. They also say he has done everything he possibly can to help during the crisis and because he is such a good local member he will withstand any blowback to hold on to the seat, which has a margin of 9.4 per cent.

His neighbour in the electorate of Richmond, Labor’s Justine Elliot, thinks otherwise. She believes people who waited anxiously to be rescued, who then had to wait days for food and water, who were left without any communications, not even able to dial triple zero or produce the necessary identification to access emergency payments because everything they owned was destroyed, will remain committed to punishing state and federal governments for what they have endured.

Elliott, every bit as distraught as Hogan is by the utter devastation, and as angry with Stone’s comments which she described as “sickening,” says people cannot understand why in Australia today, after so many disasters over so many years, it took so long for help to arrive.
“In the coming weeks, what we will see is people really heartened by the community response and how important it has been in the absence of government,” she said. “They will never forget and never forgive.”
She said the same sentiment which existed in her electorate, was also coming very strongly across from Page: “The government has abandoned us.”
Federal cabinet ministers are acutely aware of the dangers posed by the floods and the aftermath for the survival of the Morrison government. They know the pain will continue for a long time, for months, even years while people go through the agony of trying to rebuild their lives.

If a central issue of election campaigns is competence, or rather perceptions of incompetence, then clearly both the NSW and federal governments are in dire straits after the floods.

Unlike Morrison, at least the NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet didn’t play silly buggers with the media when he visited the shattered communities. He resolutely bore the brunt of the anger of those directly affected in public, on the street, in front of cameras, then admitted the response should have been better.

Arguing it was for privacy reasons despite the presence of his official photographer, but obviously fearing a repeat of Cobargo where he tried to force angry bushfire victims to shake his hand, Morrison excluded media from his first two meetings in Lismore on Wednesday.

He would have won more respect if he had done what Perrottet did. Everyone knows he couldn’t get there sooner because he was in iso’ with COVID-19. But as Labor’s Murray Watt said, that should not have stopped him declaring a national emergency sooner. Then having got there, he should not have acted like such a chicken. It detracted from the substantial aid package he announced while guaranteeing a rerun of the Cobargo footage.
Unfortunately for Morrison, partly because he will face voters first – by May 21 at the latest – he stands to be the one who will lose the most from this latest disaster.

One determinedly optimistic cabinet minister insisted earlier this week that despite what he frankly acknowledged as the “animosity” of voters towards Morrison, the government can still win because of its national security and economic management credentials.

However, if the maxim popularised by American politician Tip O’Neill, that all politics is local, remains true, then Morrison could struggle to make up enough ground to give the Coalition a fourth term.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, musings over where the fabled nuclear submarines will be housed, accompanied by warnings from Morrison that this is no time for amateurs, are unlikely to swing votes. Not when memories of his absence during the black summer bushfires remain, not when his bungles on COVID are catalogued, not when he talks about crises abroad yet appears incapable of dealing properly with the ones in his own backyard.


RELATED ARTICLE​

Marcus and Leonie Bebb who have lost their house in Lismore waited outside the Norco factory where the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, was having a tour.

NSW floods

Marcus wanted five minutes with Scott Morrison. The flood victim was told the PM had no time

However, if the maxim popularised by American politician Tip O’Neill, that all politics is local, remains true, then Morrison could struggle to make up enough ground to give the Coalition a fourth term.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, musings over where the fabled nuclear submarines will be housed, accompanied by warnings from Morrison that this is no time for amateurs, are unlikely to swing votes. Not when memories of his absence during the black summer bushfires remain, not when his bungles on COVID are catalogued, not when he talks about crises abroad yet appears incapable of dealing properly with the ones in his own backyard.



Sounds like Kev knows he a shot duck come election time, he might take a few down with him too.
 
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An interesting take.

I would wholeheartedly agree that the dominance of career politicians is a travesty, way too many people go from student politics to unions, party think tanks, advisor jobs, etc to members of parliament. Ben Chifley was a train driver who rose through union positions to parliament, in the current environment that just seems impossible.

DS

I got a job in the mines almost 40 years ago. Supervisors and superintendents came from the shop floor, my memory fails me, but I think one even became a manager. Most of them were good blokes and respected.

Over time guys from the floor couldn't climb very far up the ladder, those jobs went to engineers. That's ok, the company wanted to use engineers, but some thought they knew better than a lot of the older hands........................

One guy left, he took a redundancy, he would've had 30+ years service. He got sick of them ringing him up about one thing or another, he knew every nut and bolt in the place. He told then to stop ringing him.
They got down on their knee and said will you come back as a consultant, which he did, on his terms, he made a motza.

Someone like Chifley would have no chance of becoming PM now, and the the country is poorer for it.
 
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Very sad, saw her regular spot on Sky News a few times, seemed like a decent person.
I find myself ideologically in a kind of no man’s land compared to the dominant positions in contemporary politics. Senator Kitching is one of the few left that I felt largely aligned with my unfashionable combination of positions, on a lot of issues. I’m not even a Victorian voter, but really liked her. I feel quite deflated.
 
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The cost of living is rising fast in this country.
The economy may be going well but wages are not rising in line with inflation.
Petrol was $2.05 a litre when I filled up today.
Grocery bills increasing rapidly.
Many Australians are being hit hard.:(
Its only gonna get worse, for the foreseeable future I fear.
 
Its only gonna get worse, for the foreseeable future I fear.
I work in a financial markets field (nothing as glamorous as Wolf Of Wall Street cliches - I work in Government fixed interest markets) so watch this very closely. Inflation across most of the rest of the world has been running ahead of Australia. Australians have had it very mild compared to most other parts of the world in the current inflationary cycle. But I feel that it's just been delayed here. We are lagging the rest of the world by about twelve months, rather than avoiding the inflationary squeeze. And when you think that those other areas running ahead of Australia still are on an upward trajectory for inflation - it was already trending upwards, now exacerbated by geopolitical pressures - it gives us a bit of a rough idea of what we might expect.
 
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I work in a financial markets field (nothing as glamorous as Wolf Of of Wall Street cliches - I work in Government fixed interest markets) so watch this very closely. Inflation across most of the rest of the world has been running ahead of Australia. Australians have had it very mild compared to most other parts of the world in the current inflationary cycle. But I feel that it's just been delayed here. We are lagging the rest of the world by about twelve months, rather than avoiding the inflationary squeeze. And when you think that those other areas running ahead of Australia still are on an upward trajectory for inflation - it was already trending upwards, now exacerbated by geopolitical pressures - it gives us a bit of a rough idea of what we might expect.

So more "Libs better at economy than ALP" narrative to be expected in 2025 ?
 
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