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Talking Politics
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Pretty sobering stats for the Libs. Even in their strongest held seats they lost margin to the ALP. In some seats the incumbent Lib lost to Independents with one seat showing 40%+ swing against them.
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Any chance Slo-Mo may bail before the election?Pretty sobering stats for the Libs. Even in their strongest held seats the ALP they lost margin to the ALP. In some seats the incumbent Lib lost to Independents with one seat showing 40%+ swing against them.
Doubt it. And I doubt there would be a challenge. The Libs members are now positioning themselves for plum roles after the decimation.
It is pretty easy to find evidence that the major parties are as bad as each other, from an article in The Age today:
There is a toxic culture in politics, both the major political parties perpetuate this culture.
Plus, there are different rules for men and for women, a couple more quotes from the same article:
Full article:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...equal-opportunity-affair-20220318-p5a5w1.html
Ultimately it does not make me wonder why we vote for politicians or political parties, we simply don't have much of a choice. Luckily we do have preferential voting so we can vote for independents or minor parties without wasting our vote, but we are still stuck with a choice between the major parties when we come to allocating preferences. Toxic cultures in both. I am, finally, lucky on this score, as I live in a safe Liberal seat which has a (hopefully) viable independent. This will be the first time in ages that my lower house vote can actually make a difference.
On the other hand, are we really voting for the major parties? In the South Australian election held yesterday the primary vote for Labor was 40.4%, Libs 34.6% and Nats 0.5% - that adds up to 75.5% of primary votes going to the major parties. So, a quarter of voters are saying a pox on both your houses, a good sign. In the 2001 Federal election the total was 80.85%, this fell to 74.78% in 2019. I always think back to Labor winning 50.1% of the primary vote in 1972, that will never happen again. The major parties have been losing support for decades, preferences keep them winning seats but the alternative, first past the post, would be a lot worse.
DS
It's terrible what's happening in Ukraine but I fail to understand why millions of Australian Dollars being sent to Ukraine to fight a war that affects our country little.
Meanwhile from fire to flood, those Australians whose lives have been destroyed by climate change are left high & dry.
Meanwhile from fire to flood, those Australians whose lives have been destroyed by climate change are left high & dry.
Seriously independents? Would that be Pauline's half a nation, Clive's united bozos, Dan's supplemental independent stooges or perhaps Holmes a Court's homies?
Don't get me angry Oldie. This dingbat has to be outed asap.It's terrible what's happening in Ukraine but I fail to understand why millions of Australian Dollars being sent to Ukraine to fight a war that affects our country little.
Meanwhile from fire to flood, those Australians whose lives have been destroyed by climate change are left high & dry.
Labor's factional war on Kimberley Kitching needs to be exposed
An ALP sub-faction centred on Bill Shorten risks betraying the party and gifting Scott Morrison a chance to hold on to power.
www.crikey.com.au
Its funny isn't it.
I wonder who went "You know what feminists want the most"........................................."a *smile* and balls"
BTW - its only a statement above. I know not all people that believe in the rights of women are the historical view of feminists.
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Labor's factional war on Kimberley Kitching needs to be exposed
An ALP sub-faction centred on Bill Shorten risks betraying the party and gifting Scott Morrison a chance to hold on to power.
Thats a boomer of an article completely exposing what is really happening over Kitching's death.
I may have the view that representative democracy is a contradiction in terms, but it does give me the choice of tweedledum and tweedledee every few years and that sure as hell beats leaving it to everyone else. In any case, we might be able to remove an IPA RWNJ in my seat so maybe it will have an impact.
You know the old saying: Whoever you vote for, the government gets in.
Labor's factional war on Kimberley Kitching needs to be exposed
An ALP sub-faction centred on Bill Shorten risks betraying the party and gifting Scott Morrison a chance to hold on to power.
I think the one thing he forgot to mention is that Kitching is from the rump of the old DLP, at least that's what I hear. It is terrible that the stresses of the job, and likely other stresses too, contributed to the heart attack, but let's not sugar coat who she was and the factional battles she was very much a part of. Excellent article by Guy Rundle.
DS
The HWU is a disgrace of a union and one of the reasons why I have so little respect for so many parts of the Trade union movement these days. It fails to provide what is the very reason it exists, which is to represent the workers who belong to the union and those covered by the awards they negotiate.Labor's factional war on Kimberley Kitching needs to be exposed
An ALP sub-faction centred on Bill Shorten risks betraying the party and gifting Scott Morrison a chance to hold on to power.
It is a union that is fixated on power and influence rather than representing people.
These sorts of organisations are partly why I never fully trust the ALP
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These sorts of things are why I reckon the unions need to keep well away from the ALP. You don't get the ALP factional issues in unions which are not affiliated to the ALP. Those that are affiliated can end up being training grounds for ALP hacks and the regular members don't get a look in.
I don't care that much about the ALP, except as a way to keep the incompetent LNP out of power, but I do care about unions.
DS
45% of Australian workers were in trade unions in the 1980s , now it is 14%
There are multiple reasons for that but a good portion is that they don’t represent the people they are there for. They are too busy playing political power games, fighting a phony class war that doesn’t exist or in same cases ( like the CFMEU) just being thugs and semi criminals.
The union movement is very poor in Australia now but the ALP cannot move away from it because that is largely how it is funded