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graystar1

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On a different tack.

Who do consider to have been our best and worst prime ministers of Australia

I will open the batting with the best.

Ben Chifley, during world war II.

The best ever in Sir Robert Menzies when everyone prospered and felt safe.

Bob Hawke, the man of the people.

In later years, John Howard.

The worst imho.

William Mc Mahon, totally useless.

Gough Whitlam for those corrupt Kemlani affairs.

Malcolm Fraser, very arrogant and did not care for the average man or woman.

Paul Keating, viscous tongue and did not do enough to win my vote.

Finally, Kevin Rudd, who can forget the pink bats and school halls?

You can diifer if you wish, but these are just my thoughts for the day.
 

Baloo

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tough question.

From those I am old enough to remember

Best: Hawke
Worst: Abbott by miles. Squillions of them

Fraser did a lot of goods things once no longer PM.
Howard love & hate. I admire him for his hard stance on gun control that effectively removed a lot of illegal gun crime in Australia. Hate him with a passion for manipulating the Republic debate to ensure it didn't go through. Also blame him and Costello for the middle class welfare society Australia now has.
Keating I admired because he could cut anyone down with poetic insults. He made it an art form.
Rudd was an a me too PM who did nothing for the country. Didn't like him at all.
Gillard I believe if given a real chance would have been ok.
Turnbull I had high hopes for but he couldn't control his party. Hate Turnbull for the way he crippled the NBN leaving Australia behind the rest of the world for a long time to come.
#ScottyFromMarketing is out of his depth, has no connection with the population and is leading a party that in my time has been the most corrupt I've seen.
 
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TigerMasochist

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So what you are now saying is thst finally some Australians are getting value for money from the Government.
The ABC have become totally irrelevant to a massive portion of tax paying Australians who dont live in the all consuming cities of Melbourne and Sydney and are not preoccupied by, well stuff that doesnt matter.
Oi! I happen to live in Melbourne. If I sometimes watch a bit of Rage on the weekend with the guest presenters does that get included in the irrelevant bit?
 

HR

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Oi! I happen to live in Melbourne. If I sometimes watch a bit of Rage on the weekend with the guest presenters does that get included in the irrelevant bit?
I like visiting family in Melbourne and always enjoy it.
Rage still going? What channel?
 

DavidSSS

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On one hand they are polling terribly in the cities and on the other they are the more popular channel for hits against a service most people dont buy but controls the Country, apparently. :rolleyes:
Wow, David its hard to reason with this kind of comment. Illegal is actually a defineable action not just something to say when you dont like the action.
You sound like a big boy so stop sooking about unionists and how hard it must be for them too you old warfie you.
My unpopular take is this, unions are Victorias second worst legacy to the Catholic Church, their usefulness disappeared decades ago. Neither deserve respect in todays world and are regularly mocked for their failures outside of Melbournes bubble. The ABC is not impartial in regards to social platforms and has lost its journalistic value as a result, in fact they are acting like trumps opponents as well, worry about your own backyard first then you might stand a chance to speak out about others.

Love that straw man, so quote me stating the Murdoch press runs the country.

Illegal is defined, by those in power, do you not get that?

Unions not needed, what, you want more workers getting paid a pittance, companies not paying entitlements and then going belly up only to Phoenix later, etc?

More drivel as usual from the right.

DS
 
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spook

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HR: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.
L2: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
HR: Yes.
L2: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
HR: All right, L2. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?
Commie: Fair pay.
HR: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.
Filthy Leftie: And the 38-hour work week!
L2: Oh yes... the 38-hour work week, HR, you remember what working 16 hours a day six days a week used to be like.
HR: All right, I'll grant you that fair pay and the 38-hour work week are two things that the unions have done...
Socialist: And the weekends...
HR: (sharply) Well yes obviously the weekends... the weekends go without saying. But apart from fair pay, the 38-hour work week and the weekends...
Another Filthy Leftie: Public holidays...
Other Commie Voices: Holiday pay... Sick leave... Meal allowances...
HR: Yes... all right, fair enough...
Bolshie Near Front: And the superannuation..
Marxist: Oh yes! True!
Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov: Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the unions left, HR.
Filthy Leftie at Back: Equal pay!
L2: And workers have rights in most jobs now.
Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov: Yes, they certainly know how to give the average worker a voice ... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.
(more general murmurs of agreement)
HR: All right... all right... but apart from the 38-hour work week and weekends and public holidays and holiday pay and sick leave and weekends and meal allowances and superannuation and workers’ rights... what have the unions done for us?
Commie: Workplace safety!
HR: What!? Oh... (scornfully) Workplace safety, yes... shut up!
 
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HR

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Nice work all and sundry.
So, what have the unions done for us lately?
With all this criminal behaviour im surprised the whole government is not in the clink!
 
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spook

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Nice work all and sundry.
So, what have the unions done for us lately?
With all this criminal behaviour im surprised the whole government is not in the clink!
The AFP is the lap/attack dog of the government. Will rifle through the underwear drawers of journos, but didn't bother to interview Angus Taylor. Will create a photo op for the nightly news when raiding a union over a $100,000 donation to GetUp, but banks can engage in money-laundering and commit tens of thousands of illegal acts and nary a whimper.

We live in a kleptocracy.
 
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tigerman

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Nice work all and sundry.
So, what have the unions done for us lately?
With all this criminal behaviour im surprised the whole government is not in the clink!
What has big businesses done for us lately, apart underpaying workers, workers who have had to endure record low wage growth for near on a decade. Should put them in jail with the corrupt union leaders.
 
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DavidSSS

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The AFP is the lap/attack dog of the government. Will rifle through the underwear drawers of journos, but didn't bother to interview Angus Taylor. Will create a photo op for the nightly news when raiding a union over a $100,000 donation to GetUp, but banks can engage in money-laundering and commit tens of thousands of illegal acts and nary a whimper.

We live in a kleptocracy.

Yep, as a Union official you can be held personally liable for huge fines if you incite strike action outside an enterprise bargaining period, enter a worksite when not allowed under their dubious laws and there's a host of other offences they made up to make sure union officials are hindered in doing their job.

But if you run a bank you can launder pedophile money, charge dead people for services not provided, or live people for services you receive a kickback for etc and just get off scot free.

If you work at a Catholic school and groom some kid you get a community order.

Laws are made by those in power for those in power, the elites of the business world get the laws they purchase.

DS
 
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HR

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Yep, as a Union official you can be held personally liable for huge fines if you incite strike action outside an enterprise bargaining period, enter a worksite when not allowed under their dubious laws and there's a host of other offences they made up to make sure union officials are hindered in doing their job.

But if you run a bank you can launder pedophile money, charge dead people for services not provided, or live people for services you receive a kickback for etc and just get off scot free.

If you work at a Catholic school and groom some kid you get a community order.

Laws are made by those in power for those in power, the elites of the business world get the laws they purchase.

DS
The unions have a bit of an ugly history too DS, lets not sugar coat that part. Particularly in Victoria not so much elsewhere.

Maybe its just the balance at the moment that is out of kilter, but as you say that is the nature of the game.
 

shad

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The AFP is the lap/attack dog of the government. Will rifle through the underwear drawers of journos, but didn't bother to interview Angus Taylor. Will create a photo op for the nightly news when raiding a union over a $100,000 donation to GetUp, but banks can engage in money-laundering and commit tens of thousands of illegal acts and nary a whimper.

We live in a kleptocracy.

You forgot selling out the Bali 9 to be arrested in Indonesia so that they could curry favour with the Indonesian intel agencies.

I've worked with a diverse range of people from the military, police and intelligence agencies. The feds seem to be real bottom feeders from my experience.
 
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