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Tambling Vs Wells

compare tambling 181/74kg (4) to foley 177/71kg (rookie) 1 year in age difference and similar number of games

you say tambling was a junior inside mid

well one plays inside & outside, wins his own ball, is hard as nails and is guaranteed a game, the other was a top 5 pick?
 
Tango said:
once again using stats to defend someone
how many games did edwards play on ball? he played mainly as a fwd pocket
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From memory I think he actually spent quite a bit of time on the wing/forward flank.

You don't think contested possessions are a fairly effective measure of how much time a midfielder spends in and around the packs?

Tango said:
compare tambling 181/74kg (4) to foley 177/71kg (rookie) 1 year in age difference and similar number of games

you say tambling was a junior inside mid

well one plays inside & outside, wins his own ball, is hard as nails and is guaranteed a game, the other was a top 5 pick?
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So Tambling isn't at Foley's level yet. What do you suggest, tear up his contract and Gaspar him?

geoffryprettyboy said:
How much is enough time to assist development?
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I'd say each case is unique and all you can do is try and use similar cases to help give you an accurate answer.

How long do you think is long enough?
 
not saying we gaspar tambling at all
not saying he hasnt got potential
im just want to see him work harder when he doesnt have the ball, at the moment he has one trick and that is to try and side step his opponent when he has the ball, everyone has worked this out, he is not in the U 15s anymore
he is fast yet he looks slow, let him chase his ass off in the fwd line and win the ball and create opportunities for others

tambling going flat out all the time
thats what id like to see,
 
Most people seem to be saying that his workrate and efforts off the ball have improved a lot so far this year. No coincidence that this would be the case when he's got another pre season behind him.
 
so his excuse is fitness then??

i doubt it, its called mental toughness or lack of it

watch the game again and tambling puts in 1 effort then gives up, he spends most of his time jogging half a kick behind the contest

he is blessed with speed he should be running players down from behind 5 times a game, thats a stat id like to see introduced and rewarded

why can players like rioli, brown, davey and many others apply fwd pressure and consistently run players down
 
u cant trade a #4 pick
u teach him to round his game out and make him earn his spot
give him targets like tackles and chase downs, he offers more to us in this role than anything else - YET
in time he may grow into being an AFL mid, but not yet IMO
 
Tango said:
so his excuse is fitness then??
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Last year fitness was clearly a problem for him. Every time play stopped he's have hands on hips really struggling for breath.

I've watched the Carlton game a couple of times and he seems to be making far more second efforts. He also makes a couple of good efforts to chase down players from a fair way back that causes at least one turnover.
 
Tango said:
talls dont get traded unless they are duds
u only get good ones by drafting the early
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Yeah probably right Tango. but I dunno, there's alot of Geelong supporters out there that got Otto that might disagree ;)
 
Tango said:
so his excuse is fitness then??

i doubt it, its called mental toughness or lack of it

watch the game again and tambling puts in 1 effort then gives up, he spends most of his time jogging half a kick behind the contest

he is blessed with speed he should be running players down from behind 5 times a game, thats a stat id like to see introduced and rewarded

why can players like rioli, brown, davey and many others apply fwd pressure and consistently run players down
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You're watching the wrong games I'm afraid Tango. After 2 games Tambling on the Tiger list is 6th in 1%ers, 5th in total contested possessions, 1st in total tackles , and is one of only 8 players who have taken a contested mark. I put all these in the category of 'effort'. Some just want to bag players for the sake of bagging players I guess.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Would you trade him at years end GPB?
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No way, I want him to stay just so he can prove us all wrong and Disco to say "I told you so!".

Na serious, I wouldn't hesitate, he must be kept purely because we have invested 3-4 years in him and has the potential of coming out of his shell. IIRC hasn't he been signed for 3 years? It'll be a loss to the club, too much time & money has been invested.

Liverpool's idea of placing him outside the midfield has credit, and a wing position should suit him, the team & the supporters.



Disco08 said:
How long do you think is long enough?
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I'd say another 2 more years. If he still hasn't come out of his shell, or is featured in newspaper spreads how he is still adapting to Melbourne life, then I'll be offloading him. How long can we perservere with him?

I just hope his football career doesn't turn out like Krakouer's, but I'll be happy if it turns out to be like Fiora's.


Disco08 said:
You're always antagonistic huh? Why?
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:P and that's exactly what it was, I'm not out to disturb you mentally, afterall you put up a great debate with Tambling. You are one of a few who puts their arguement across logically, you did have Lidsand to back you in the past but he has lost faith in Tambling. ;D
 
No worries. Actually I totally agree with you. If he isn't regularly winning lots of footy and doing great things with it within the next couple of years it probably won't happen to the extent lots of us are hoping for.

BTW, I won't have the right to say 'I told you so!' because I'm not claiming to know how good he's going to be, I'm only claiming to think I know how long it might take him to get there.
 
I agree with CC that Bling's form is at the very worst encouraging.

And I can't see why Shaun Burgoyne's late development isn't a reason to compare him to Bling. Surely that's not controversial?

Seems to me there are two touchstones in the comparisons I've read.

And they both relate to effort. In a way.

Shaun Burgoyne was from his first game a truly gifted user of the ball and a prodigious jib and bludger. By the time he was twenty I'd pretty much reached the conclusion that he'd never change. But his fans and detractors knew that if only he would pull his finger out he could improve a hundred percent. Easy. And extract and improve he did.

Maybe it was improved fitness or concentration or attitude. I dunno. But in terms of effort as a young player well, I can see why people think Bling can go up a notch easily.

Has Bling tackled? Sure. Put his body on the line? That too. Run to contests. Damn straight. The stats are not telling us much, if anything wed don't already know.

What our eyes tell us is that Bling has shirked. Has declined to chase. Is often the fastest player on the park until the other side gets the ball or a collision looms. And often looks lost or disinterested. Does anybody doubt that he got a rocket at half time in the Carlton game? And didn't he have it coming.

Why has he made these errors? Is it a lack of fitness, concentration or determination? Or a lack of maturity and experience? I dunno.

Bling's ability to win the ball and find space in traffic has gone fully quantum this season. And he makes twenty blues a game. And he seems to loaf another two dozen times for every time he goes flat out. And this is IMO very encouraging. He's finally finding his way into the game.

When he can make a 100% effort the whole time he's on the ground, he could be something special. But who knows if he'll ever be able to do that.

FWIW Bling's movement inside traffic reminds me of Travis Johnstone. For all his flaws TJ is a genius at turning on a zac in traffic. Wells at his best is similarly blessed and cursed. Bling is no weaker than either and could lap them in a race across the ruck circle.
 
Dyer'ere said:
Bling's ability to win the ball and find space in traffic has gone fully quantum this season. And he makes twenty blues a game. And he seems to loaf another two dozen times for every time he goes flat out. And this is IMO very encouraging. He's finally finding his way into the game.
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Great post jack. In other words he needs to fail before he can succeed (to quote MJ ;)).

I hope we keep persevering because it'll only get easier for him not harder IMO.
 
Tigers of Old said:
In other words he needs to fail before he can succeed (to quote MJ ;)).
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I'm kinda hoping Bling's done with the failing bit. ;D
 
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