tanking for betting

[tiges]

It may sound far fetched this Just want to get peoples opinions on this, does anyone rekon that clubs could possibly tank a game for betting profit to lift clubs profit margins especially say if a club isnt doing great money wise? or even a group of say 4-5 quality players whom could affect the outcome of a game if they decided to all have a bad night at the same time.
tank a game by more than 40 points when the odds of that game on the day are say even money head to head but if a team were to lose by more than 40 points the odds are 6 or 7 bucks as per the blues and dawks last night.
Clubs and or a group of players could easily get 2 or 3 people to lay large bets of say 25-50 k each on the oppisition at 40 + points thus giving the losing club a massive return and with creative accounting these days they could easily make the money come through on the clubs books a legitiment cash flow.
It happens in other sports just thinking watching last night blues get wolloped by 100 points last night after playing good football and winning games two weeks agaisnt dogs and port . Sometimes you have to stop and wonder if it does go on, on a larger scale.

 

[Phar Ace]

Think everyone (especially Goodwin) has been put on notice recently that they are not above scrutiny - too much at stake. Loose lips though is another issue again!

 

[tiges]

Think everyone (especially Goodwin) has been put on notice recently that they are not above scrutiny - too much at stake. Loose lips though is another issue again!

yer theres not to lose but also alot to gain and did he put the bets on himself ? i just rekon if its happened in nfl,premier league,baseball,cricket etc i think it could happen in afl. I mean they do tank in afl to get lower places on the ladder when all hope is lost of making the 8 say with 5-6 rounds to go.

 

[Phar Ace]

Think everyone (especially Goodwin) has been put on notice recently that they are not above scrutiny - too much at stake. Loose lips though is another issue again!

yer theres not to lose but also alot to gain and did he put the bets on himself ? i just rekon if its happened in nfl,premier league,baseball,cricket etc i think it could happen in afl. I mean they do tank in afl to get lower places on the ladder when all hope is lost of making the 8 say with 5-6 rounds to go.

Do they - you've played the game and know how to do that? Personally, crossing the line you do what you can every game. Playing at a lesser output is a sure way of getting injured in my experience. Once blokes get to that level - they are highly competitive - even as Superules players.

I think I understand you are talking shades of grey here but I just don't buy this whole tanking concept.

 

[tiges]

Think everyone (especially Goodwin) has been put on notice recently that they are not above scrutiny - too much at stake. Loose lips though is another issue again!

yer theres not to lose but also alot to gain and did he put the bets on himself ? i just rekon if its happened in nfl,premier league,baseball,cricket etc i think it could happen in afl. I mean they do tank in afl to get lower places on the ladder when all hope is lost of making the 8 say with 5-6 rounds to go.

Do they - you've played the game and know how to do that? Personally, crossing the line you do what you can every game. Playing at a lesser output is a sure way of getting injured in my experience. Once blokes get to that level - they are highly competitive - even as Superules players.

I think I understand you are talking shades of grey here but I just don't buy this whole tanking concept.

what is superrules players? and yes i have played football and of course its easy to have a crap game as in any other sport it is, and why would you get injured , and what would a club gain whom is last on the ladder with 3 rounds to go try and win them all to get off the bottom to finish second last or higher up the ladder10,11,12 and miss a priority pick etc etc? what good would that do for the club? its happened before a club done it a few years back, 4 or 5 rounds to go they knew if they won they wouldnt get the picks so they threw the kids in last 4 rounds and senior players all apparantly had injuries.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Bookmaking is a semi-respectable occupation these days and I'm reasonably sure that any suspicious betting trend which threatened to leave bookies out of pocket would be brought to the AFL's attention even before the match was played.

 

[tiges]

Bookmaking is a semi-respectable occupation these days and I'm reasonably sure that any suspicious betting trend which threatened to leave bookies out of pocket would be brought to the AFL's attention even before the match was played.

Im not saying bookmaking isnt a professional type of work not at all , bookmakers cant check every person that makes a big bet they would be checking and reporting to the afl every 5 minutes if that was the case. theres millions of $ plundered on afl every week, im not saying that it does happen 100 per cent for sure but you cant discount it though.
After all i dont think all afl players and or clubs are angels , theres been clubs that have dodged salary caps , clubs that tank for bottom picks, drugs in afl , so when i hear people say oh no it wouldnt happen in afl becuase its afl i tend to disagree.

 

[dcstar]

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After all i dont think all afl players and or clubs are angels , theres been clubs that have dodged salary caps , clubs that tank for bottom picks, drugs in afl , so when i hear people say oh no it wouldnt happen in afl becuase its afl i tend to disagree.

Gee, if the suppliers of a player taking illegal drugs told ("asked") that player to have an "off day" on a particular game during a season, do you think that the player might risk public disclosure of his activities or just go at 80% for that game instead of 100%?

It's not as if all players don't have one or two bad games a season, and if these just happen to coincide with a match that their team was heavily favoured to win, but becomes one of the "upsets" of the season which costs the bookies a fortune (but made the drug dealers' associates a packet), then that's just footy, isn't it?..........

Nah, this sort of thing wouldn't happen...... and you wouldn't want to look back at the "upset" results of the last 10 years or so and see what clubs were involved in a few of them, would you?

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Im not saying bookmaking isnt a professional type of work not at all , bookmakers cant check every person that makes a big bet they would be checking and reporting to the afl every 5 minutes if that was the case. theres millions of $ plundered on afl every week, im not saying that it does happen 100 per cent for sure but you cant discount it though.
After all i dont think all afl players and or clubs are angels , theres been clubs that have dodged salary caps , clubs that tank for bottom picks, drugs in afl , so when i hear people say oh no it wouldnt happen in afl becuase its afl i tend to disagree.

Bookmaking used to be seen as a licence to print money and bookies were generally regarded as shady characters. They dealt with people from one end of society's spectrum to the other, which inevitably included organised crime figures: "All men are are equal on the turf and under it".

The gambling industry has been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era by the advent of Internet gambling, and all transactions requiring a betting account leave a money trail - it's how Goodwin etc. got caught. In addition there is some sort of government requirement to provide personal information for all gambling transactions of $10K or above (don't know the exact details as it's beyond the scope of my modest wagering).

I think S.P. and other unofficial operators are pretty much extinct in Australia today, though they're obviously alive and well in places such as India where there is huge gambling on cricket which is apparently unregulated.

Can't discount the possibility completely but I think it's unlikely on the scale you mentioned in the original post.

 

[tiges]

Im not saying bookmaking isnt a professional type of work not at all , bookmakers cant check every person that makes a big bet they would be checking and reporting to the afl every 5 minutes if that was the case. theres millions of $ plundered on afl every week, im not saying that it does happen 100 per cent for sure but you cant discount it though.
After all i dont think all afl players and or clubs are angels , theres been clubs that have dodged salary caps , clubs that tank for bottom picks, drugs in afl , so when i hear people say oh no it wouldnt happen in afl becuase its afl i tend to disagree.

Bookmaking used to be seen as a licence to print money and bookies were generally regarded as shady characters. They dealt with people from one end of society's spectrum to the other, which inevitably included organised crime figures: "All men are are equal on the turf and under it".

The gambling industry has been dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era by the advent of Internet gambling, and all transactions requiring a betting account leave a money trail - it's how Goodwin etc. got caught. In addition there is some sort of government requirement to provide personal information for all gambling transactions of $10K or above (don't know the exact details as it's beyond the scope of my modest wagering).

I think S.P. and other unofficial operators are pretty much extinct in Australia today, though they're obviously alive and well in places such as India where there is huge gambling on cricket which is apparently unregulated.

Can't discount the possibility completely but I think it's unlikely on the scale you mentioned in the original post.

yes of course you need id etc to make a big bet , but just because id is invloved doesent mean it couldnt be done, i agree that it may not be done often say and im not saying on the sacle of every week , all it would need is one game in a year thats it one game.
The afl is not full of angels and where there is millions of $involved there is always a chance of some dodgy happenings.

 

[tiges]

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After all i dont think all afl players and or clubs are angels , theres been clubs that have dodged salary caps , clubs that tank for bottom picks, drugs in afl , so when i hear people say oh no it wouldnt happen in afl becuase its afl i tend to disagree.

Gee, if the suppliers of a player taking illegal drugs told ("asked") that player to have an "off day" on a particular game during a season, do you think that the player might risk public disclosure of his activities or just go at 80% for that game instead of 100%?

It's not as if all players don't have one or two bad games a season, and if these just happen to coincide with a match that their team was heavily favoured to win, but becomes one of the "upsets" of the season which costs the bookies a fortune (but made the drug dealers' associates a packet), then that's just footy, isn't it?..........

Nah, this sort of thing wouldn't happen...... and you wouldn't want to look back at the "upset" results of the last 10 years or so and see what clubs were involved in a few of them, would you?

where did yoiu get drug dealers from? ive mentioned nothing of drug delaers and asking players to play bad

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

where there is millions of $involved there is always a chance of some dodgy happenings.

Never a truer word was spoken on PRE. ;D