Tanking for draft pick discussion [split thread]

[justice]

I agree with Rosy on this topic. ;D Deliberate tanking is akin to doctoring games. Any team that goes out to lose should be banned from the competition. Hanse Cronje tanked games and was shunned by the whole world. Phantom suggests that the RFC do it and is embraced by many. I don't get it?

tanking isnt match fixing

all your doing is playing kids, if they are good enough you win games and look forward to next year

if you keep losing games you get draft picks and try and build your talent

dont get the two things confused, try and understand it first before commenting!

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

tanking isnt match fixing

all your doing is playing kids, if they are good enough you win games and look forward to next year

if you keep losing games you get draft picks and try and build your talent

dont get the two things confused, try and understand it first before commenting!

While the players do their best to win, the system rewards the club hierarchy for not doing so - a very dodgy state of affairs. Winning should be paramount for all concerned.

 

[bigster]

Wallace has attempted to wien some of the younger blokes by playing them in spurts along with what he thought were reasonable experienced players to try and develop a team. This plan has failed and he has acknowledged that fact. He understood that at the beginning of the year and hence his now famous 2011 presentation before the season started. I suppose he had to give the established players one more go after finishing ninth with 11 wins last season.
Those players weren't going to improve enough to keep us competitive without exceptional improvement from our younger brigade. 5 rounds into the season it is patently obvious that although we've tried our guts out in the games ( especially Sydney and West Coast ), the teams we are putting on the ground aren't good enough. Terry has finally conceded that the only way to reach a level where we can play finals is to remove those who cannot improve anymore and start afresh with those that can. That doesn't mean throwing games to ensure we get the first draft pick. Who knows, by playing young blokes with plenty of enthusiasm with the fear of losing for the sake of losing they may snag a few games. If we come last we come last because we were the 16th best team during the year who at least gave their best at the time.
I'm not against trying new structures and gameplans with the younger brigade. Having said that, Sarge needs to pull the finger out and actually cover some ground BEFORE the ball is actually disappearing from his area of the ground. If he covered a quarter of the ground Richo does he might touch it more frequently than once every blue moon; and then a straight kick every now again wouldn't go astray. If he is going to play FF in team as inexperienced as ours is likely to be in coming weeks it is imperative he takes at least 1 contested mark a quarter. The young blokes need that confidence in the so called leaders or older blokes.

 

[jayfox]

I agree with Rosy on this topic. ;D Deliberate tanking is akin to doctoring games. Any team that goes out to lose should be banned from the competition. Hanse Cronje tanked games and was shunned by the whole world. Phantom suggests that the RFC do it and is embraced by many. I don't get it?

tanking isnt match fixing

all your doing is playing kids, if they are good enough you win games and look forward to next year

if you keep losing games you get draft picks and try and build your talent

dont get the two things confused, try and understand it first before commenting!

Rubbish. The meaning of 'tanking' is to deliberately lose a game. Here is Wikipedia's definition of tanking - "To tank" may refer to a sports team deliberately losing a game; see match fixing Sheesh, now I'm starting to sound like Evo.

The Urban Dictionary says - 'Tank' - To deliberately lose a sporting event or contest, esp. with the intention of gaining some future advantage (such as a higher selection in an upcoming draft, etc.)

The online dictionary says - "To tank" may refer to a sports team deliberately losing a game; see match fixing.

Do you need any more references? I suggest you look up the true meaning of tanking and understand it before commenting!

 

[mk33]

Not in favour and I dont think any club has ever done it. It creates a losing culture and mentatility.
Clubs that finish on the bottom of the ladder don't tank, they are just not good enough.

 

[Tygrys]

I would find it hard to believe that anyone would support deliberately going out and losing a game. However there is a massive difference between playing senior players that you know are never going to be any good but might get you a handful of cheap wins against mostly substandard opposition versus playing youngsters which you know will 'probably' (not definitely) not win but who will gain invaluable experience but as a consequence also maximise the clubs position come draft time.

The draft does not reward the former but definitely rewards the later stratedy. Now we can be ideologically pure and say we don't want those filthy draft picks and we will always pick the team from our list most likely to win. However that's not going to get us the class players we need, it's not going to get us the respect of the other clubs (who consider us a laughing stock with our perpetual ninths etc) and it won't make premiership players or even regular finalists out of players that have clearly reached the limits of their potential.

If you know you can't progress further because of the limitations of a large part of your player group there is nothing immoral in rebuilding from scratch, investing in youth, accepting losses as an inevitable consequence of this policy and being conscious that there will be rewards for this policy come the end of the year during draft time.

It's all about the future and it certainly beats the hell out of watching hacks or has beens going nowhere squeezing the odd win here and there against low ranked opposition. But I repeat it is not 'tanking'.

 

[Tigerfan]

Tank is a 4 letter word.

I agree with Rosy on this topic. ;D Deliberate tanking is akin to doctoring games. Any team that goes out to lose should be banned from the competition. Hanse Cronje tanked games and was shunned by the whole world. Phantom suggests that the RFC do it and is embraced by many. I don't get it?

No club would get away with tanking if it tried.

How could we tank?

We can't drop Richo and then have him dominate at Coburg and not promote him again. The media and everyone else would be all over it.

If we played tamblig at full back and Polo at full forward with White in the the ruck the media and everyone else would be all over it.

Dropping Gaspar isn't tanking. Look what Ottens did to him in March.

If player ABC is told to drop marks he'll come out after he's dumped traded or delisted and tell someone. Sure it will be denied (see Stephen Mount) but all the same it gets out there. Imagine what a club would say if they heard an opposition runner tell a guy 'don't chase'

But maybe it is posible to tank.

Is the club tampering with the player's water after half time to slow them down?

Boy they've decreased the dosage from last year.

Maybe game breakers Hall and Knobel are just foxing. Where is Kingsley, our very own weapon of mass destruction; rumours abound but no-one has actually seen him for themselves in a Richmond jumper.

OK more realistically: Brown and Cogs.

Maybe Brown and Coughlan aren't really injured. Hmmmm, no one saw Cogs slip in the bath. Gee, how convenient that he took a bath without witnesses.

Hey maybe Brown hasn't got a hot spot. No-one has seen any medical reports. Isn't it nice of these guys to take a year off for us so we can pick up a top kid or two?

The fact is our youngsters are a lot better than many of the senior guys but just haven't developed far enough yet to start winning.

Give it a season or two.

 

[jb03]

Tank is a 4 letter word.

I agree with Rosy on this topic. ;D Deliberate tanking is akin to doctoring games. Any team that goes out to lose should be banned from the competition. Hanse Cronje tanked games and was shunned by the whole world. Phantom suggests that the RFC do it and is embraced by many. I don't get it?

Which Testament is Tanking in Poorbox?

;D

 

[Brettstigers]

TW has made the right decision. Our ladder position this year and in the future depends on the younger brigade actually proving that they can play. Remember the focus from now on isn't just on the senior players.. Younger players who don't show enough this year are going to want to hope that their contracts aren't up.

 

[shawry]

I am with you Foxy. Wooden soon is an indginity I would rather not live with no matter what player we get out of it. It is personal ride and I think it is a disgrace. THere are other ways.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Tank is a 4 letter word.

OK more realistically: Brown and Cogs.

Maybe Brown and Coughlan aren't really injured. Hmmmm, no one saw Cogs slip in the bath. Gee, how convenient that he took a bath without witnesses.

Bet we could drum up some volunteers to act as witnesses.