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Disco08 said:
If you watched Tom play as a junior you'd have seen him displaying exactly the same skill. Give him time to develop and he'll show it for Richmond too.

No one was saying Hislop is anywhere near Coughlan at his best, or even as he is now. I was suggesting that you're too dismissive of Hislop's contributions and that Coughlan wasn't really the ideal player to replace him in the side as far as positions go.

Fair enough Roachie, but you're right I have written him off. Having said that he did a few nice things on Sunday which surprised me but I think they were flukes. As they all say ..lets hope he proves me wrong! (but I dont think so!)
 
We'll see mate. I hope he proves you wrong too because if he can his act together and show some of the abilities he displayed as a kid we'll be a much better team for having him in it.
 
Disco08 said:
If you watched Tom play as a junior you'd have seen him displaying exactly the same skill. Give him time to develop and he'll show it for Richmond too.

The above amazes me because he just looks like a stunned mullet with the ball most of the time and turns it over in the most stupid non thinking ways. It might be a lack of confidence or stage fright so I will cut him some slack.

My perception of him is that he is a non thinking footballer. I will be watching his progress with interest.
 
If you watched Tambling 3 years ago you'd be just as stunned if someone told you he was an extremely talented junior and that one day he'd be playing just like that in the AFL. It doesn't always happen but it quite often does. The one thing that very rarely happens is that players produce from day one. For every Daniel Rich there's fifty Brad Sewells.
 
hmm i think people in general have overrated coughlan in general over the yrs. in saying this i think when fit and healthy he was a good footballer.always a big ball winner and very good intight but pace and foot skills imo very suspect his whole career.
 
the claw said:
hmm i think people in general have overrated coughlan in general over the yrs. in saying this i think when fit and healthy he was a good footballer.always a big ball winner and very good intight but pace and foot skills imo very suspect his whole career.

He certainly wasn't overrated. He was very, very good at a young age and could've been a superstar if injuries didn't ruin his career.
 
Barnzy said:
He certainly wasn't overrated. He was very, very good at a young age and could've been a superstar if injuries didn't ruin his career.
i would not classify coughlan an elite footballer people infer this all the time. and yeah he was very good at a young age.
most richmond people attribute god like status to him whilst very good this is wrong.

his history is thus

drafted 00

01 5 games.

02 showed what was to come the back half of that yr.

had an outstanding 03.

then op hit hard 04 was destroyed.

took until well into 05 to hit his straps but had a solid season playing all 22 and having some very good games in the process.

06 played half a season again was solid rather than outstanding but had the odd big game. rnd 10 i think he did his knee.

07 preseason he did it again lost season.

08 hammies killed off the whole season basically.

09 was always going to be slow going for him and it has panned out that way.

im not having a go at coughlan he was one of my favorite players. as an inside mid was one of the better ones going around in 03 05.

he managed just 12 games from the end of 05. leg injuries have made him slower than he was and imo affected his kicking which was not great to begin with. in areas of the game he was very good but in other areas he was ordinary. just my opinion.
 
Barnzy said:
He certainly wasn't overrated. He was very, very good at a young age and could've been a superstar if injuries didn't ruin his career.

And a long term captain of the club.
 
the claw said:
i would not classify coughlan an elite footballer people infer this all the time. and yeah he was very good at a young age.
most richmond people attribute god like status to him whilst very good this is wrong.

his history is thus

drafted 00

01 5 games.

02 showed what was to come the back half of that yr.

had an outstanding 03.

then op hit hard 04 was destroyed.

took until well into 05 to hit his straps but had a solid season playing all 22 and having some very good games in the process.

06 played half a season again was solid rather than outstanding but had the odd big game. rnd 10 i think he did his knee.

07 preseason he did it again lost season.

08 hammies killed off the whole season basically.

09 was always going to be slow going for him and it has panned out that way.

im not having a go at coughlan he was one of my favorite players. as an inside mid was one of the better ones going around in 03 05.

he managed just 12 games from the end of 05. leg injuries have made him slower than he was and imo affected his kicking which was not great to begin with. in areas of the game he was very good but in other areas he was ordinary. just my opinion.
Dont want thread to go of track, Cogs was leading 06 B an F when he did his knee..

One of my Favourites , however I really dont think he was/is Captaincy material, an excellent lead by example leader, however as he would say not the Captaincy type
 
CC TIGER said:
Dont want thread to go of track, Cogs was leading 06 B an F when he did his knee..

One of my Favourites , however I really dont think he was/is Captaincy material, an excellent lead by example leader, however as he would say not the Captaincy type

Even at Coughlans best, I always saw him as a poor man's Nick Dal Santo.

Is tough, good in tight, and plays with passion, but was always slow and been questionable by foot.
 
Coughlan is gone. For all the talk of Joel Bowden being too slow for the modern game, his miles quicker then Coughlan for the modern game.

Should be one of the players gone at the end of the year, enough is enough.
 
lamb22 said:
Look I could argue this all day but one's a footballer and one's Hislop. In any non parallel universe you'd always play Cogs before Hislop.

BTW Cogs 39 goals in 90 games as a mid. Hislop 9 goals in 17 games as a forward. Also Cogs averages 3.8 tackles to Hislop's 3.1 and finally Cogs gets the ball twice as much!! (and uses it ten times as well IMO!!)

Totally agree Lamb, cannot believe the Hislop hype. Stands out as being physical because we are so inept in this area, unfortunately he is a dwarf so I don't buy too much into the intimidation factor many are espousing.

Hislops ball use by foot is very ordinary as is his shooting for goal.
 
Yes, it said in an article on the herald sun site that he will be named on the extended bench

Also Richmond are debating whether to put Cotchin in for surgery or just keep playing him
 
the claw said:
his history is thus

drafted 00

01 5 games.

02 showed what was to come the back half of that yr.

had an outstanding 03.

then op hit hard 04 was destroyed.

took until well into 05 to hit his straps but had a solid season playing all 22 and having some very good games in the process.

06 played half a season again was solid rather than outstanding but had the odd big game. rnd 10 i think he did his knee.

07 preseason he did it again lost season.

08 hammies killed off the whole season basically.

09 was always going to be slow going for him and it has panned out that way.


:D


I know this is not what Claw is suggesting, but for all the flak I've coped over the journey re: My views on keeping Cogs on the list for so long ^^ Re-read that history.

It's not beyond the realms to suggest the club has persisted for far too long with the beloved based on his history.
 
the claw said:
i would not classify coughlan an elite footballer people infer this all the time. and yeah he was very good at a young age.
most richmond people attribute god like status to him whilst very good this is wrong.

his history is thus

drafted 00

01 5 games.

02 showed what was to come the back half of that yr.

had an outstanding 03.

then op hit hard 04 was destroyed.

took until well into 05 to hit his straps but had a solid season playing all 22 and having some very good games in the process.

06 played half a season again was solid rather than outstanding but had the odd big game. rnd 10 i think he did his knee.

07 preseason he did it again lost season.

08 hammies killed off the whole season basically.

09 was always going to be slow going for him and it has panned out that way.

im not having a go at coughlan he was one of my favorite players. as an inside mid was one of the better ones going around in 03 05.

he managed just 12 games from the end of 05. leg injuries have made him slower than he was and imo affected his kicking which was not great to begin with. in areas of the game he was very good but in other areas he was ordinary. just my opinion.

Harsh but fair. I think the club has been extremely patient with Cogs because he was so good.
Will be right up against it to keep his spot on the list.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Harsh but fair. I think the club has been extremely patient with Cogs because he was so good.
Will be right up against it to keep his spot on the list.

Agree Loony ToOn. Is really struggling for pace and decisions - hard to admit!
 
pharace said:
Agree Loony ToOn. Is really struggling for pace and decisions - hard to admit!


To be fair to Mark, I don't think his decision making as such has been bad. He has always been average by foot with his disposal and maybe because people are looking through less blinkers this has now become apparent.


FWIW - Even though I think we shouldn't have persisted, we did and there is still a place for Mark's type in the team. Would much prefer to see him rack up a 20/10 handball/kick ratio though.


If it's decided other players need to go and Mark retains a spot, I won't complain and would look forward to seeing what he could do after get a fair dinkum pre-season under the belt.