terry play the kids

[yandb]

if we are going to lose the matches play the kids. if some of our senior players are not going to be part of the next premiership its time to wield the axe and start getting games into our next generation of players.

i hate to sugest it but richo wont be part of this team so we had better start preparing for his retirement.
*smile* has no more to teach our young defenders so back to coburg.
unless the wizard of oz can give pettifer some courage its time to move him on.
knoble too injury prone and will be 30 in 2011
kingsley will be too old by 2011

if we are going to have one of those seasons then lets focus on the future

 

[Rosy]

We've been playing kids. We can't play them all at once though. They'd be flogged if too much is asked of their immature bodies combined with their lack of experience. It's about their long term development.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest Gas has nothing to teach our young backmen. I agree Pettifer might benefit and be a better player in the long run from a week or two at Coburg but he could possibly still be considered a "next generation" player. Knoble isn't even playing to have the axe wielded on him. He's there for depth only and I mean no offence to say it would be good if we never need him, but rather that means our other rucks are fit and in good form.

Kingsley might be too old by 2011, as will several of our other players, but it's only the start of 2007 at the moment.

Throw in Joel and Richo whom people have suggested we dump too and we're getting into fairy tale land.

The club has a duty to nurture young players and develop them as best they can. Throwing them to the wolves isn't the answer.

We need to remain competitive while gradually getting the kids valuable experience too.

 

[btoz_01]

Whats wrong with playing the kids ??? ???
Take a look at some of the Dawks team that took on the Doggies their ages and games played.
Birchall 19yo-3games, McGlynn 21yo-3games, Lewis 21yo-19games, Young 21yo-7games, Franklin 20yo-20games, Ellis 19yo-3games & Roughead 20yo-16games. Not bad for s side thats won 2 games and is currently sitting in the 8. :veryupset
Thats 7 players in the senior side that are 21yo or less.

For :frustration :frustration sake play the youngsters Terry. Any senior player that is not playing to win and has lost the desire should be dropped and replaced in the side by a kid that is having a real go playing at Coburg.

 

[Tigermad2005]

I say play another 1 or 2 kids as well.
Might as well blood some new faces.

 

[Tygrys]

We've been playing kids. We can't play them all at once though. They'd be flogged if too much is asked of their immature bodies combined with their lack of experience. It's about their long term development.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest Gas has nothing to teach our young backmen. I agree Pettifer might benefit and be a better player in the long run from a week or two at Coburg but he could possibly still be considered a "next generation" player. Knoble isn't even playing to have the axe wielded on him. He's there for depth only and I mean no offence to say it would be good if we never need him, but rather that means our other rucks are fit and in good form.

Kingsley might be too old by 2011, as will several of our other players, but it's only the start of 2007 at the moment.

Throw in Joel and Richo whom people have suggested we dump too and we're getting into fairy tale land.

The club has a duty to nurture young players and develop them as best they can. Throwing them to the wolves isn't the answer.

We need to remain competitive while gradually getting the kids valuable experience too.

Why do we need to remain 'competitive' when we are blooding youngsters, who are these 'wolves' that you speak of? In 1998 Brisbane was the most uncompetitive team in the league, finishing on the bottom of the ladder yet by 2001 they had won the first of their three premierships in a row. Likewise St Kilda finished in the bottom two of the ladder three years straight from 2000 to 2002, since 2004 they haven't missed a finals series. Having their kids being thrown to the 'wolves' certainly didn't seem to hurt them? Perhaps going through the really tough times stengthens their resolve in the long run (I remember Steve Waugh talking about the ruthlessness of Australias cricketers of his generation as being a direct result of having gone through those bad times and never wanting to go through them again. Of always wanting payback).

And maybe playing on the really good players and being given the run around is actually an education rather than a hinderance. A lot of sports people have said that you learn far more from losing than you do from winning. And personally I would move heaven and earth not to have another generation of Tivendales, Krakouers and Patrick Bowdens, flat track bullies who look great when the team is on top but fold when the pressure is applied to them. Only exposing young players when we are competitive risks that possibly happening. To me the only valid reason for not playing the kids would be if their bodies are too immature and they would risk serious injury if played. Failing that bring em on.

 

[elliot]

Have to agree , i have been pretty happy about the number of kids played up until the end of last year. Can't be too critical
of the club in this regard but it is definately time to step things up a notch...

Having said that its really annoying reading people saying how we should play the kids like Hawthorn etc
In round 3 both us and hawthorn had 6 players who turn 21 or under this year in their team...

 

[Liverpool]

We've been playing kids. We can't play them all at once though. They'd be flogged if too much is asked of their immature bodies combined with their lack of experience. It's about their long term development.

I think it's ridiculous to suggest Gas has nothing to teach our young backmen. I agree Pettifer might benefit and be a better player in the long run from a week or two at Coburg but he could possibly still be considered a "next generation" player. Knoble isn't even playing to have the axe wielded on him. He's there for depth only and I mean no offence to say it would be good if we never need him, but rather that means our other rucks are fit and in good form.

Kingsley might be too old by 2011, as will several of our other players, but it's only the start of 2007 at the moment.

Throw in Joel and Richo whom people have suggested we dump too and we're getting into fairy tale land.

The club has a duty to nurture young players and develop them as best they can. Throwing them to the wolves isn't the answer.

We need to remain competitive while gradually getting the kids valuable experience too.

Why do we need to remain 'competitive' when we are blooding youngsters, who are these 'wolves' that you speak of? In 1998 Brisbane was the most uncompetitive team in the league, finishing on the bottom of the ladder yet by 2001 they had won the first of their three premierships in a row. Likewise St Kilda finished in the bottom two of the ladder three years straight from 2000 to 2002, since 2004 they haven't missed a finals series. Having their kids being thrown to the 'wolves' certainly didn't seem to hurt them? Perhaps going through the really tough times stengthens their resolve in the long run (I remember Steve Waugh talking about the ruthlessness of Australias cricketers of his generation as being a direct result of having gone through those bad times and never wanting to go through them again. Of always wanting payback).

And maybe playing on the really good players and being given the run around is actually an education rather than a hinderance. A lot of sports people have said that you learn far more from losing than you do from winning. And personally I would move heaven and earth not to have another generation of Tivendales, Krakouers and Patrick Bowdens, flat track bullies who look great when the team is on top but fold when the pressure is applied to them. Only exposing young players when we are competitive risks that possibly happening. To me the only valid reason for not playing the kids would be if their bodies are too immature and they would risk serious injury if played. Failing that bring em on.

Yep...spot on.
Short term pain, for long term gain.....instead of looking for the 'be competitive' which only leads to the long term pain we have endured.
Its time to turn it around.
Hawthorn have lost players like Hay, Rawlings, Everitt, Harford, and a number of others, so they could draft kids and play kids, as they go forward towards long term success.
While we continue on the path we are taking, we'll only ever get to (maybe , at best) the bottom half of the 8, or the more usual position of 9th-16th.

 

[Rosy]

Why do we need to remain 'competitive' when we are blooding youngsters, who are these 'wolves' that you speak of?

If you can't work that out I'll leave you in ignorance Tygrys. :hearton

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

if we are going to lose the matches play the kids. if some of our senior players are not going to be part of the next premiership its time to wield the axe and start getting games into our next generation of players.

i hate to sugest it but richo wont be part of this team so we had better start preparing for his retirement.
*smile* has no more to teach our young defenders so back to coburg.
unless the wizard of oz can give pettifer some courage its time to move him on.
knoble too injury prone and will be 30 in 2011
kingsley will be too old by 2011

if we are going to have one of those seasons then lets focus on the future

Totally agree yandb, just like I read somewhere earlier, someone said TW knows his model of restructuring the club isn't working, that's why he is spining us *smile* with 2011.

 

[hopper]

god help me - now not only do we all know how tw should be coaching, but we know what he's thinking too! why hasn't an afl team been started in here? the first champion cyber team run by cyber coaches who are self confessed cyber geniuses!

 

[AstuteTiger]

god help me - now not only do we all know how tw should be coaching, but we know what he's thinking too! why hasn't an afl team been started in here? the first champion cyber team run by cyber coaches who are self confessed cyber geniuses!

Top post hop, :clap :clap :clap

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

I'd like to see Riewoldt, Casserly & Edwards get a gig sooner rather than later.

 

[AstuteTiger]

I'd like to see Riewoldt, Casserly & Edwards get a gig sooner rather than later.

I do too JE but some posters would like to see every kid playing in the side, u do need a reasonable mix.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I think that the club should be trying to give a few kids a chance to debut, but not all at once as some seem to be advocating. David Parkin, who was a relatively successful coach by any measure, said that he never played more than 2 debutants in the one game, and even that only rarely. Give them youngsters a taste and get some games into them, but do it gradually. A team of kids will only get flogged and that will do nothing for them in the long term. Doesn't anyone remember the dark days of the late 80's and early 90's when Richmond played kids because they had no other choice and wrecked a few careers in the process? Having said that I think young JR has earnt his chance to play his first senior game this week.

 

[mb64]

I say play another 1 or 2 kids as well.
Might as well blood some new faces.

Agree,the season's gone so give the kids some experience.

 

[tannerztigers]

I say play another 1 or 2 kids as well.
Might as well blood some new faces.

Agree,the season's gone so give the kids some experience.

Im not one of those fans that thinks its not over until we have lost 11 games, but its not gone, theres still some kind of change to get back up there. So no need to put in 3-4 new faces just yet. Wouldnt mind King and Reiwault coming in this week

 

[French Tiger]

I remeber a few years back & the Saints were copping beltings every week with the likes of Del Santo,Rewoldt,Ball & heap of other youngsters playing,it might not have been much fun for their fans at the time,but i'm quite sure they would be satisfied bout how they have turned out now & getting that game time im sure only helped.

I'm not saying we have as many highly rated youngsters as they did then,but how will we know if they don't get a chance!& surely watching our future surrender a lead every week will be alot easier to handle than watching half the mob running around now do it.& i know that not everyone can be 20 & under,but even if they rotated a few every few weeks to at least get a taste & im sure in a few years when they are dominating we will look back at this season as not just a waste!

 

[AstuteTiger]

I remeber a few years back & the Saints were copping beltings every week with the likes of Del Santo,Rewoldt,Ball & heap of other youngsters playing,it might not have been much fun for their fans at the time,but i'm quite sure they would be satisfied bout how they have turned out now & getting that game time im sure only helped.

I'm not saying we have as many highly rated youngsters as they did then,but how will we know if they don't get a chance!& surely watching our future surrender a lead every week will be alot easier to handle than watching half the mob running around now do it.& i know that not everyone can be 20 & under,but even if they rotated a few every few weeks to at least get a taste & im sure in a few years when they are dominating we will look back at this season as not just a waste!

*smile* i remember that too, i actually felt sorry for them at times leading games and then seem to always lose em in the last term...but as we all know a few years have gone along and look at them now, haven't won a flag but who would've thought back then they would be playing continuous finals campaigns.