Terry Wallace, there is no fight in this team!

[crackertiger]

Fair enough we were beaten by a much more skilled outfit last night, It happens. What is very dissappointing and unacceptable is the lack of spirit in this group. When the chips are down we just give up.

Whats happened to the Tigers of old as it states in our club song.

"If we're behind then never mind we'll fight and fight and win"

With this group it should say

"If we're behind then never mind we'll let others win"

What about this other part of the song

"We'll never weaken till the final sirens gone"

It should read

"We'll be Witche's Hats until the final sirens gone"

Show some fight Tigers.

I sat and watched this game with a former Tiger legend last night and he was beside himself over the lack of pride in the jumper. Gutless headless chooks was his discription.

 

[Golden Brown]

Yep. Fair enough. The players deserve whatever crap they get thrown at them.

 

[Harry]

Not good enough. What's the point in fighting. Need better players.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Is his biggest fan hard for me too say but IMO TW got flooged by Eade last night

 

[Rosy]

There were two tactical situations I didn't understand last night.

First was having Lids start the game as a loose man in defence. Seemed a very negative way to start the game and left a spare man to be on Richo.

Second was instead of having any half forward flankers Pettifer and Krak both stood between the centre square and Goal circle for the bounces leaving no room for a leading forward to present at CHF.

 

[BISKET*12*]

Fair enough we were beaten by a much more skilled outfit last night, It happens. What is very dissappointing and unacceptable is the lack of spirit in this group. When the chips are down we just give up.

Whats happened to the Tigers of old as it states in our club song.

"If we're behind then never mind we'll fight and fight and win"

With this group it should say

"If we're behind then never mind we'll let others win"

What about this other part of the song

"We'll never weaken till the final sirens gone"

It should read

"We'll be Witche's Hats until the final sirens gone"

Show some fight Tigers.

I sat and watched this game with a former Tiger legend last night and he was beside himself over the lack of pride in the jumper. Gutless headless chooks was his discription.   
   

I agree but bottom line is they are a ten time better unit than usand we had no answers from the start.Last years step forwad has really hurt us we needed another two priority picks big time!
I really do not know whats going on with Tambling he plays like he does"nt want to be there.

 

[Tigerfan]

Remember that 17 players from last nights team came from the 'Wooden Spoon' list of 2004.

Only 5 of last night's massacre have been recruited by Wallace.
3 from the draft (Lids, Tambo and Patto)
2 are recycled (P. Bowdo and Simmo)

We have the speed and skills of casserley, white, polo, meyer and oakleys (when they are ready) to add to the team

also KPP's Hughes, Limbach, McGuane graeme, thursfield.

Keep drafting, keep developing

Our opponents last night showed us what Wallace can build, given time.

Wallace has cut and replaced 18 players in two drafts...that's not bad...you can only go so deep each time

 

[Mr Brightside]

Krak started on West,Lids on half back,Tiva to play semi defencivley on his wing ,Eagleton,Cogs on cooney,Gas was to play Full back on who ever played out of square,Sarge and Bling out of square with Richo at Chf and petts and P bowdo on flanks pushin up,Like this

                                                   SARGE    BLING
   


                                                         Richo



                                Petts                                       P bowdo

 

[Liverpool]

There were two tactical situations I didn't understand last night.

First was having Lids start the game as a loose man in defence.  Seemed a very negative way to start the game and left a spare man to be on Richo.

Second was instead of having any half forward flankers Pettifer and Krak both stood between the centre square and Goal circle for the bounces leaving no room for a leading forward to present at CHF.

Spot on Rosy!  :clap
I said the same on another thread....reckon Terry was making moves to negate Bulldogs moves, before they even happened, instead of being proactive and putting pressure on them.

Another one was having Johnson out on the wing.....he was out there for a lot of the game.
Browny started in the middle, which I thought was also strange.  :-X

 

[Mr Brightside]

Remember that 17 players from last nights team came from the 'Wooden Spoon' list of 2004.

Only 5 of last night's massacre have been recruited by Wallace.
3 from the draft (Lids, Tambo and Patto)
2 are recycled (P. Bowdo and Simmo)

We have the speed and skills of casserley, white, polo, meyer and oakleys (when they are ready) to add to the team

also KPP's Hughes, Limbach, McGuane graeme, thursfield.

Keep drafting, keep developing

Our opponents last night showed us what Wallace can build, given time.

Wallace has cut and replaced 18 players in two drafts...that's not bad...you can only go so deep each time

Well pu DDT

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

There were two tactical situations I didn't understand last night.

First was having Lids start the game as a loose man in defence. 

I was amazed at that move too Rosy, but coming home listening to David King, he was asked that question by the 3AW panel. His reply was that Lids has had a 'quiet pre-season' and really, 'didn't get much of the ball and needed to get a feel of it'. :-\

 

[Liverpool]

Keep drafting, keep developing

Our opponents last night showed us what Wallace can build, given time.

Well pu DDT

If we had lost to the Saints last night by that margin, I would agree....as they have developed the list they have got after a few years...since the 1997 Grand Final loss.

However, last night we got belted by the Bulldogs, by 115 points, in the opening round when in:
2003: They got the wooden spoon, we finished 3 games ahead
2004: They finished only 1 game ahead of us (we got the wooden spoon)
2005: They finished only 1 game ahead of us.

So both the Tigers and the Bulldogs have come from a similar position, with similar draft-picks over the last 3-4 seasons.
They've had a similar amount of time to change their list as we have....and we saw the difference they made last night, compared to where we are.

How much time do we need???  :-\

 

[Tigerfan]

How much time do we need???  :-\

at the moment the list structure is pretty right ie: quota of ruckmen, key pozzies, big mids, small mids, rovers

but we need to improve the spread of quality. Drop a small mid and draft a better small mid etc...

that will take two more drafts at about 8-9 players each. Total: -16-18

Then they need to develop, say another two years to be safe.

Look to 2008-09 for sustained success is my quess.

 

[Tigermad2005]

Terry what happened to us scoring over 100pts a game?

 

[tigachick36]

How many centre breaks did we get?
I can think of only two, from free kicks.
Shocking Richmond. :-X

 

[an_oxford_man]

How many centre breaks did we get?
I can think of only two, from free kicks.
Shocking Richmond. :-X

True, TigaChick.

The midfiled was annihilated. They couldn't get a kick.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Keep drafting, keep developing

Our opponents last night showed us what Wallace can build, given time.

Well pu DDT

If we had lost to the Saints last night by that margin, I would agree....as they have developed the list they have got after a few years...since the 1997 Grand Final loss.

However, last night we got belted by the Bulldogs, by 115 points, in the opening round when in:
2003: They got the wooden spoon, we finished 3 games ahead
2004: They finished only 1 game ahead of us (we got the wooden spoon)
2005: They finished only 1 game ahead of us.

So both the Tigers and the Bulldogs have come from a similar position, with similar draft-picks over the last 3-4 seasons.
They've had a similar amount of time to change their list as we have....and we saw the difference they made last night, compared to where we are.

How much time do we need???  :-\

It aint the players the club got after the 03/04/05 seasons that have lifted the doggies it's the ones they got after the 00/01/02 seasons. It's all well and good to have a young early pick like Lids, Coondog or Judd stand up and be a good player within one or two seasons but most players don't come on until they have three or four seasons and fifty games under the belt and step into the purple patch between 23/28 years old. The doggies are way ahead of us and probably only a KPP and Darcy away from being rated as the next best thing along with the Saints and Pussies.
Who knows though, with the way they spread the workload and score last night not having the KPP could be an advantage, its impossible to shut down a flamin avalanche.

 

[TOT70]

Keep drafting, keep developing

Our opponents last night showed us what Wallace can build, given time.

Well pu DDT

If we had lost to the Saints last night by that margin, I would agree....as they have developed the list they have got after a few years...since the 1997 Grand Final loss.

However, last night we got belted by the Bulldogs, by 115 points, in the opening round when in:
2003: They got the wooden spoon, we finished 3 games ahead
2004: They finished only 1 game ahead of us (we got the wooden spoon)
2005: They finished only 1 game ahead of us.

So both the Tigers and the Bulldogs have come from a similar position, with similar draft-picks over the last 3-4 seasons.
They've had a similar amount of time to change their list as we have....and we saw the difference they made last night, compared to where we are.

How much time do we need???  :-\

It aint the players the club got  after the 03/04/05 seasons that have lifted the doggies it's the ones they got after the 00/01/02 seasons. It's all well and good to have a young early pick like Lids, Coondog or Judd stand up and be a good player within one or two seasons but most players don't come on until they have three or four seasons and fifty games under the belt and step into the purple patch between 23/28 years old. The doggies are way ahead of us and probably only a KPP and Darcy away from being rated as the next best thing along with the Saints and Pussies.
Who knows though, with the way they spread the workload and score last night not having the KPP could be an advantage, its impossible to shut down a flamin avalanche.

They played with real intensity too.  Nearly all of Eagleton's goals were the result of hard running, where he went from 20m behind the play to 20m ahead of it, leaving a ragged opponent behind and his teammate with the ball knew exactly what he was going to do and waited for him.  They are going to shock a lot of teams that are better than us.

It won't take a lot of injuries to knock the stuffing right out of them though. I'm not sure that they have much in reserve after their first 20 or so players, esp with Darcy down.

 

[Liverpool]

Keep drafting, keep developing

Our opponents last night showed us what Wallace can build, given time.

Well pu DDT

If we had lost to the Saints last night by that margin, I would agree....as they have developed the list they have got after a few years...since the 1997 Grand Final loss.

However, last night we got belted by the Bulldogs, by 115 points, in the opening round when in:
2003: They got the wooden spoon, we finished 3 games ahead
2004: They finished only 1 game ahead of us (we got the wooden spoon)
2005: They finished only 1 game ahead of us.

So both the Tigers and the Bulldogs have come from a similar position, with similar draft-picks over the last 3-4 seasons.
They've had a similar amount of time to change their list as we have....and we saw the difference they made last night, compared to where we are.

How much time do we need???  :-\

It aint the players the club got  after the 03/04/05 seasons that have lifted the doggies it's the ones they got after the 00/01/02 seasons. It's all well and good to have a young early pick like Lids, Coondog or Judd stand up and be a good player within one or two seasons but most players don't come on until they have three or four seasons and fifty games under the belt and step into the purple patch between 23/28 years old. The doggies are way ahead of us and probably only a KPP and Darcy away from being rated as the next best thing along with the Saints and Pussies.
Who knows though, with the way they spread the workload and score last night not having the KPP could be an advantage, its impossible to shut down a flamin avalanche.

"The Age" listed Johnson, Eagleton, Griffen, Hahn, and West, as their best players.
While the "Herald Sun" listed Johnson, West, Cross, Eagleton, Griffen, and Giansiracusa.

Players such as Johnson, Eagleton, and West are their senior players...and have been playing the game at this level for as long as Kane Johnson, Tivendale, Gas, Joel Bowden, Richo, etc.
Thats why Wallace has come out and said that the senior players let the side down the most.

Hahn was picked up in the 1999 draft, using our pick we gave up for Leon Cameron.

Cross was picked up in the 2000 draft, while Giansiracusa was picked up in the 1999 draft.

Griffen was picked up in the same draft year as Lids and Bling.

So really, out of their best-performed players on Friday night, only Griffen was a debutante since 2000.....so maybe we're both wrong on this one! :rofl ...maybe they just frafted better in the late-90s!?!?! ??? ...and their senior players stood-up the other night, compared to ours (apart from Richo).

Thats why it makes me annoyed when I hear people having a crack at players like Bling....

 

[TigerMasochist]

Yeah their older players were better than ours but their middle tier players all played good footy as well this is the area we have got sweet F.A.
Rate our 23to27 year olds against just about any side going and at a guess I would say we lose and lose badly.
if you only have a handfull of dodgy old codgers and a bunch of young kids it's easy to get smashed.
Brisbane played four premierships in a row because they had some good senior players and a big core of good players all came through the peak years together at the expense of blending in youth.
Last year with some of their senior players going and a lot of that core group all of a sudden being the old codgers they started to struggle, from the looks of the geelong game they could be running into some strife this year and onwards because they didn't blend that next tier of young kids through.