Terrys comment on the next draft

[crackertiger]

knobel and gas will or have signed for next year, so take them off your list. Chaffey may also stay as he was injured most of the year. He is also highly rated by coaching team still. Count on Staff to retire, Rodan, Roach and Moore goneski...

Chaffey is gone!

He is the worst player on our list and should have gone last year.

Gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

The ferals will tear down Punt Road if he stays!

 

[Tigermad2005]

If Moore is delisted and they bring in the over23 rookie i think he would get picked up by us again.

Why?

 

[blx]

Again I am worried that we might follow in the footstep of Wallaces Footscray or the Geelong of recent years. Very even and efficient, but lacking the star quality to take that additional step.

You want stars who can turn a game on it's head, yet you want to trade Brown?  ???  He is one of the VERY FEW at RFC who can turn a game on his own.  Get real

Apart from a single hot streak, I think Browns return to Richmond has been fairly modest to tell you the truth. Not all his own fault, his injury was horrific. To get him we had to sacrifice a chance at getting Daniel Wells and there is no certainty he will ever get back to his absolute best. He will also be 29 next Febuary. It's not that I hate Brown, I think he's a good player. But if I had to choose between retaining him or potentially getting a 10 year plus KP forward that could become a lynch pin of a serious premiership challenge in say three years from now (where Brown will be well past his prime, assuming he is still playing), I know which I'd pick. He is never going to be worth more as trade bait than what he is now. Still, I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, I don't think it's going to happen. Wallace loves Brown and vice versa. I just personally think it would make a lot of sense, I hope it is a at least considered at Richmond.   

can u plase use your enter key more often when u write, thanks tygrys

 

[GoodOne]

Browny has a good 5 years left in him roaming the forward line and has immense skill. Trading him would be a very bad loss and really cant see it happening. Risking Browny for a rookie who might even not make it doesn't seem like a risk to me. Browny's trade value would not be the best now anyway, after his injury and his age. Surely smarter trades out there.

 

[the claw]

Again I am worried that we might follow in the footstep of Wallaces Footscray or the Geelong of recent years. Very even and efficient, but lacking the star quality to take that additional step.

You want stars who can turn a game on it's head, yet you want to trade Brown?  ???  He is one of the VERY FEW at RFC who can turn a game on his own.  Get real

Apart from a single hot streak, I think Browns return to Richmond has been fairly modest to tell you the truth. Not all his own fault, his injury was horrific. To get him we had to sacrifice a chance at getting Daniel Wells and there is no certainty he will ever get back to his absolute best. He will also be 29 next Febuary. It's not that I hate Brown, I think he's a good player. But if I had to choose between retaining him or potentially getting a 10 year plus KP forward that could become a lynch pin of a serious premiership challenge in say three years from now (where Brown will be well past his prime, assuming he is still playing), I know which I'd pick. He is never going to be worth more as trade bait than what he is now. Still, I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, I don't think it's going to happen. Wallace loves Brown and vice versa. I just personally think it would make a lot of sense, I hope it is a at least considered at Richmond.   

tygrys brown cost us picks 6 and 20 in the 2003 draft. kane johnson cost us jason torney picks 2 18 and 32. for johnson picks 12 schulz 28 blumfield and 41 fleming. and it may well turn out miller wasted all 3 picks.

 

[Rosy]

and it may well turn out miller wasted all 3 picks.

Reading your recent posts I've got you sussed santa. You're cut that Greg has the job ahead of a more superior, knowledgable and gifted football brain such as yourself. He gets in and tries to improve the list, and gets big $$ to do so, while you're left posting anonymous snipes on an internet forum. Jealousy is a curse. :hihi

 

[the claw]

gaspar rodan chaffey tivendale stafford krakouer humm roach all delisted. pettifer brown hyde offered up for trade.there are others but 8 to 10 beheadings should suffice this yr. would like to shop schulz around for trade but list structure ties our hands ditto for hall would  delist unfortunately the lack of talls on the list prohibits this this yr. would also like a full list of rookies

You're on drugs if you think Plough will trade Petts and Brownie

na just looking out for the long term interests of the list and in doing so making some tough decisions. something it seems wallace is incapable of doing.
blind freddie can see theres a host of players on the list who have to go for us to become more than a poxy middling team. it seems tw is incapable or unwilling to make these decisions.
it seems its more important to terry to win a few extra meaningless games with blokes who are never going to take us anywhere than recruit and develop players who will definately lose more than they win while they develop but in time will get us to where we need to be.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

na just looking out for the long term interests of the list and in doing so making some tough decisions. something it seems wallace is incapable of doing.
blind freddie can see theres a host of players on the list who have to go for us to become more than a poxy middling team. it seems tw is incapable or unwilling to make these decisions.
it seems its more important to terry to win a few extra meaningless games with blokes who are never going to take us anywhere than recruit and develop players who will definately lose more than they win while they develop but in time will get us to where we need to be.

Your a very hard man to read clawster.On one hand your saying give the kids ago ahead of the duds yet you implying we lose matches to get better draft picks.
a).Would those non decisions by any chance be constrained because of AFL requirements when it comes to lists inturn comes under list management Claw? :
b).Western Bulldogs last year finished the year in a flurry.Yep those meaningless games certainly have hurt the doggies :
c).Can you give us your personal assurance,s that pick 5 or 6 will be a better player than pick 7 or 8.

 

[TigerPort]

Brown still has question marks over whether he will come back fully as a player so I can't see any club wanting to do any deal with a top end draft pick.

 

[Phar Ace]

na just looking out for the long term interests of the list and in doing so making some tough decisions. something it seems wallace is incapable of doing.
blind freddie can see theres a host of players on the list who have to go for us to become more than a poxy middling team. it seems tw is incapable or unwilling to make these decisions.
it seems its more important to terry to win a few extra meaningless games with blokes who are never going to take us anywhere than recruit and develop players who will definately lose more than they win while they develop but in time will get us to where we need to be.

Your a very hard man to read clawster.On one hand your saying give the kids ago ahead of the duds yet you implying  we lose matches to get better draft picks.
a).Would those non decisions by any chance be constrained because of AFL requirements when it comes to lists inturn comes under list management Claw? :
b).Western Bulldogs last year finished the year in a flurry.Yep those meaningless games certainly have hurt the doggies :
c).Can you give us your personal assurance,s that pick 5 or 6 will be a better player than pick 7 or 8.

Anyone giving such an assurance would be MAD.............. so you might just get it :hihi

 

[Tygrys]

na just looking out for the long term interests of the list and in doing so making some tough decisions. something it seems wallace is incapable of doing.
blind freddie can see theres a host of players on the list who have to go for us to become more than a poxy middling team. it seems tw is incapable or unwilling to make these decisions.
it seems its more important to terry to win a few extra meaningless games with blokes who are never going to take us anywhere than recruit and develop players who will definately lose more than they win while they develop but in time will get us to where we need to be.

Your a very hard man to read clawster.On one hand your saying give the kids ago ahead of the duds yet you implying we lose matches to get better draft picks.
a).Would those non decisions by any chance be constrained because of AFL requirements when it comes to lists inturn comes under list management Claw? :
b).Western Bulldogs last year finished the year in a flurry.Yep those meaningless games certainly have hurt the doggies :
c).Can you give us your personal assurance,s that pick 5 or 6 will be a better player than pick 7 or 8.

Not answering for The Claw, but just a couple of questions of my own. If we get very soundly beaten in the last round as we probably will against West Coast, is there any carry over from that loss to the following season? Or do we somehow assume that match never happened and the flurry ended officially against the cellar dwellers Carlton and Esssendon (tempted to throw Brisbane in that category as well). Do we still have 'momentum' if we get thrashed in the final round? If we don't, and it simply becomes a sobering reminder of how far we have to go, then apart from grabbing some bragging rights for a week and gaining a latter pick in the draft what has been acheived?
And true it didn't hurt Footscray, but seeing how they have played so magnificently this year with a truly horrific run of injuries - I think it's more a testimony to their depth and game plan than anything they acheived in terms of coming home strongly last year ('momentum' is such an intangible thing, it can all vanish in a twinkling of an eye - Geelong had buckets of it when they won the preseason cup - they were touted as a favourite for the premiership - yet it all vanished - and all in one season!).
And yes you are right there is no guarantee that pick 5 or 6 will be 'better' than 7 or 8, except that ignores the desperate need of Richmond to recruit a elite KPP and the fact that by 7 or 8 the ones that have been mentioned in dispatches will all be gone. If we had a balanced list then frankly you would be 100 percent right. We could simply pick the best player available that comes our way. But we don't have one. And that's why I hope some hard decisions are made to improve our draft position in the first round.
Anyhow here's hoping our first pick whoever he is turns out to be a gun!

 

[Lidsand]

Soft as butter is pettifer, please organise a trade...tatts dont maketh the man.

I see you've missed most of the games his played this year, or just simply turned a blind eye. He's been very good this year, and at the half way mark, there were some media personalities putting him in as an All Australian HFF.

Time to move on, this topic has been done to death, and he's proved enough this year that he's moved on from the shirker days. Perhaps you should to.

i dont really think he has moved on mate. he still shows glimpses of it at the worst times

 

[the claw]

na just looking out for the long term interests of the list and in doing so making some tough decisions. something it seems wallace is incapable of doing.
blind freddie can see theres a host of players on the list who have to go for us to become more than a poxy middling team. it seems tw is incapable or unwilling to make these decisions.
it seems its more important to terry to win a few extra meaningless games with blokes who are never going to take us anywhere than recruit and develop players who will definately lose more than they win while they develop but in time will get us to where we need to be.

Your a very hard man to read clawster.On one hand your saying give the kids ago ahead of the duds yet you implying  we lose matches to get better draft picks.
a).Would those non decisions by any chance be constrained because of AFL requirements when it comes to lists inturn comes under list management Claw? :
b).Western Bulldogs last year finished the year in a flurry.Yep those meaningless games certainly have hurt the doggies :
c).Can you give us your personal assurance,s that pick 5 or 6 will be a better player than pick 7 or 8.

Not answering for The Claw, but just a couple of questions of my own. If we get very soundly beaten in the last round as we probably will against West Coast, is there any carry over from that loss to the following season? Or do we somehow assume that match never happened and the flurry ended officially against the cellar dwellers Carlton and Esssendon (tempted to throw Brisbane in that category as well). Do we still have 'momentum' if we get thrashed in the final round? If we don't, and it simply becomes a sobering reminder of how far we have to go, then apart from grabbing some bragging rights for a week and gaining a latter pick in the draft what has been acheived?
And true it didn't hurt Footscray, but seeing how they have played so magnificently this year with a truly horrific run of injuries - I think it's more a testimony to their depth and game plan than anything they acheived in terms of coming home strongly last year ('momentum' is such an intangible thing, it can all vanish in a twinkling of an eye - Geelong had buckets of it when they won the preseason cup - they were touted as a favourite for the premiership - yet it all vanished - and all in one season!).
And yes you are right there is no guarantee that pick 5 or 6 will be 'better' than 7 or 8, except that ignores the desperate need of Richmond to recruit a elite KPP and the fact that by 7 or 8 the ones that have been mentioned in dispatches will all be gone. If we had a balanced list then frankly you would be 100 percent right. We could simply pick the best player available that comes our way. But we don't have one. And that's why I hope some hard decisions are made to improve our draft position in the first round.
Anyhow here's hoping our first pick whoever he is turns out to be a gun!

geez tygrys how about taking over my pr for me i wont even have to dictate it seems you can read my mind.but beware the ferals get a bit hot under the collar when one dares criticise anything yellow and black.

 

[the claw]

and it may well turn out miller wasted all 3 picks.

Reading your recent posts I've got you sussed santa.  You're cut that Greg has the job ahead of a more superior, knowledgable and gifted football brain such as yourself.  He gets in and tries to improve the list, and gets big $$ to do so, while you're left posting anonymous snipes on an internet forum.  Jealousy is a curse. :hihi

ah my dear dear rosmerta you have me sussed. i figure if i fling enough shiiiitttee it will stick the trouble is its the truthful kind of crapola im flinging but it seems greg the messiah is in reality the teflon man and nothing sticks.
oh well you know what they say if the truth fails make it up. :rofl