That 2011 Comment

[Liverpool]

Wallace should never have mentioned any specific year.

Even if in his own mind he thought that 2011 might be the start of an era, keep it in house....don't make a ridiculous prediction in the media where, if it doesn't come off, we'll be all on this forum bleating about his 2011 comments...and the media will have a field day.

Secondly, comments like this only do one thing at the moment, and that is more or less telling the players that he doesn't expect them to perform well this season.
They now have an excuse to underperform......"Yeah, we had a bad game against the Magpies on Friday night, but 2011 is our aim, as Terry said."

After finishing 9th last season, and people on this very forum, as well as TW himsef and Sugar, telling all us fans that we expected to make finals this season if we are continually improving, then TW making his 2011 comment shot that goal down before the season started.

 

[Redford]

I was never good with figures, Jukes! ;D

(Especially after a few licks of gourmet booze. Which leads me to say...)

 

[pahoffm]

I have no problem with a coach telling it straight & giving a clear message to supporters.

The 2011 comment was nothing new to long time PREnders. Terry made it the first time at the beginning of the 2005 season at a Club80 function. To his credit, his view hasn't changed.

If the older players have a problem with the 2011 comment then it is up to them to prove it on-field.

So far, the only part they're likely to show as untrue is that part where Terry says that we might be in the finals for a short time between 2007-2009 based on our mature players.

To me, Terry is calling a spade a spade.
I might have problems with Terry's other ideas, such as how should the player list be composed.
But on the 2011 comment,

Hole in one, Terry.

PS, if Terry wants his premiership window to commence in 2011, he better use every pick in this year's draft on talls.
It takes 3-4 years to get players 195+cm up and running.

And I also have a problem with where the most creative junior fotballer in the RFC is being played.

 

[hellenictiger]

Wallace has too many words and excuses. If he would have told members and selectors he was going to be so involved in the media then, I'd personally opose him from coaching the club.

He uses the spotlight to much, instead of doing what is good for the club and stop making predictions and using words. We want actions.

2011 is not good enough. I give him by the end of 2008 to make finals. If we cant make the finals by next year then its time to look elsewhere. Forget this year, injuries and young kids still developing, thats fine, but next year we need improvement.

Forget premiership's, they can work themsleves out.

Brisbane and West Coast didnt spend a decade on the bottom to sit on the top. They where there for a short while but their coaches managed to make them great teams.

Then again if you blame 3 or 4 injuries that reflects a lack of depth in the team structure. Miller and Wallace have spent long enough to form a suitable team by now.

Every Bulldogs supporter warned me before he started coaching us, one of them tapped me on the shoulder and asked me how the "used car salesman" was going. His good with words.

 

[Disco08]

2011 is not good enough.

You're kidding right? At the end of 2004, if someone told me that in 2011 we'd have a team ready to contend for the flag for the next half decade I'd have been over the moon.

 

[tigers80]

Wallace has too many words and excuses. If he would have told members and selectors he was going to be so involved in the media then, I'd personally opose him from coaching the club.

He uses the spotlight to much, instead of doing what is good for the club and stop making predictions and using words. We want actions.

2011 is not good enough. I give him by the end of 2008 to make finals. If we cant make the finals by next year then its time to look elsewhere. Forget this year, injuries and young kids still developing, thats fine, but next year we need improvement.

Forget premiership's, they can work themsleves out.

Brisbane and West Coast didnt spend a decade on the bottom to sit on the top. They where there for a short while but their coaches managed to make them great teams.

Then again if you blame 3 or 4 injuries that reflects a lack of depth in the team structure. Miller and Wallace have spent long enough to form a suitable team by now.

Every Bulldogs supporter warned me before he started coaching us, one of them tapped me on the shoulder and asked me how the "used car salesman" was going. His good with words.

of course a bulldogs supporter would tell you that....(used car salesman)...wouldnt expect anything less after he walked out on them....

 

[mb64]

2011 is not good enough.

You're kidding right? At the end of 2004, if someone told me that in 2011 we'd have a team ready to contend for the flag for the next half decade I'd have been over the moon.

Agree,but wil the 2011 prediction be put back?

 

[Disco08]

Don't think that's really the point right now. Anyway, Wallet said he still thinks we will have an opportunity next year and the year after according to the same articles people are pulling the 2011 quote from. This is what he said when he started so I don't see why he's being accused of changing his initial statements at all.

People are also adding to this misconception by saying he's pushing it back because our kids aren't good enough. You have to be pretty dumb to believe this surely. Not only is the first premise about pushing the timeframe back wrong, but it's pretty obvious that he's picked 2011 as the time he expects us to really take off based on kids he's already drafted leading the way as they reach the peaks of their careers together.

 

[firebird]

It's wrong to assume we will be a force from 2011 onwards. We may have the list balance in order, with players in the right age groups/positions but who's to say that these players will be up to it? This 2011 comment relies heavily on solid recruiting and we are at the bottom end of the scale in this area, at this point.
The growth of our football department might be on the up. Unfortunately while we are getting ourselves together, other teams, with strong financial positions, will be adding more to theirs. We will have to completely outsmart teams like West Coast and Adelaide to bridge the gap.
Over the next 4 years Richmond is going to have to work as hard as it can and then double that output if this 'force' is going to take shape. The task is not impossible. If you want the ultimate success down the road we as supprters have to work hard as well. Be brave, suck it up, get to the games and it will help to get this mighty club back on it's feet.

 

[JR8]

It's wrong to assume we will be a force from 2011 onwards. We may have the list balance in order, with players in the right age groups/positions but who's to say that these players will be up to it? This 2011 comment relies heavily on solid recruiting and we are at the bottom end of the scale in this area, at this point.
The growth of our football department might be on the up. Unfortunately while we are getting ourselves together, other teams, with strong financial positions, will be adding more to theirs. We will have to completely outsmart teams like West Coast and Adelaide to bridge the gap.
Over the next 4 years Richmond is going to have to work as hard as it can and then double that output if this 'force' is going to take shape. The task is not impossible. If you want the ultimate success down the road we as supprters have to work hard as well. Be brave, suck it up, get to the games and it will help to get this mighty club back on it's feet.

Nice one firebird.

Love your avatar!!

 

[firebird]

Cheers DG.
I was pretty disgusted at many on here saying they wont come back until we're winning. How are they going to jump on the bandwagon if we cant afford the wheels?

 

[FightingFury]

After 2004 we were a trainwreck.

We enlisted a decent coach who galvanised the side into being competitive enough to win a few more games than expected in 2005.
We then had an inconsistent year with a few upsets and a few hidings in 2006, mostly without Nathan Browns influence.Raines progressed wonderfully and the progress of Delideo, Tambling ect was supposed to be nearing its climax, and the expectations of the success starved snowballed.

We aren't that good.

We have several glaring deficiencies, talent wise and most certainly structure wise.
I'm not slashing my wrists about Wallaces comments,i'm sure he knows in his heart we have about 8 blokes still getting a game who he knows aren't finals material AFL players.
Due to fiscal problems we aren't at the forefront of recruiting or development,and our inability to fully utilize the rookie draft will probably see the odd gem slip through our fingers for free (Davey,Cox,Mitchell ect)

We have planned poorly IMO (just who was drafted as Staffords replacement when he retired?) and have seemingly endless skinny mid paced flankers who haven't the skill or hardness to be mids.
We also have problems with putting a decent spine on the park too.
Injury to Simmonds has left us with Knobel who is a tap ruckman with zero impact as a footballer (and subsequently injured anyhow) and poor young Patto who's been thrown to the wolves for height, size and experience.

I reckon Wallace has a better grasp on the list than most.
He knows were a mile away, and we should too.

 

[craz619]

i cant believe all the criticism that wallace and miller are getting i give my full 100% support behind them and will always will and if the senior players are angry about the comment then i wont be standing in their way out the door...just means more youth for us.

 

[tha8ball]

As i see it - he shoudnt of said it...no need.

However - he is absolutely correct....we are that far off a premiership its not funny and if the senior blokes think otherwise they are delusional. Browny is the only senior bloke capable of offering something out of a fwd pocket when he is 34....but he looks shot now ...so stuff em!

Im looking forward to watching our kids....just want Terry to cut his losses and stop putting them in cooton wool...and play them

 

[it me willow]

All crap aside i think he hasnt done what he thought he would be doing by this stage and now has to back track

 

[BiddiscombeSkills]

After 2004 we were a trainwreck.

We enlisted a decent coach who galvanised the side into being competitive enough to win a few more games than expected in 2005.
We then had an inconsistent year with a few upsets and a few hidings in 2006, mostly without Nathan Browns influence.Raines progressed wonderfully and the progress of Delideo, Tambling ect was supposed to be nearing its climax, and the expectations of the success starved snowballed.

We aren't that good.

We have several glaring deficiencies, talent wise and most certainly structure wise.
I'm not slashing my wrists about Wallaces comments,i'm sure he knows in his heart we have about 8 blokes still getting a game who he knows aren't finals material AFL players.
Due to fiscal problems we aren't at the forefront of recruiting or development,and our inability to fully utilize the rookie draft will probably see the odd gem slip through our fingers for free (Davey,Cox,Mitchell ect)

We have planned poorly IMO (just who was drafted as Staffords replacement when he retired?) and have seemingly endless skinny mid paced flankers who haven't the skill or hardness to be mids.
We also have problems with putting a decent spine on the park too.
Injury to Simmonds has left us with Knobel who is a tap ruckman with zero impact as a footballer (and subsequently injured anyhow) and poor young Patto who's been thrown to the wolves for height, size and experience.

I reckon Wallace has a better grasp on the list than most.
He knows were a mile away, and we should too.

Excellent, rational post.

 

[FightingFury]

After 2004 we were a trainwreck.

We enlisted a decent coach who galvanised the side into being competitive enough to win a few more games than expected in 2005.
We then had an inconsistent year with a few upsets and a few hidings in 2006, mostly without Nathan Browns influence.Raines progressed wonderfully and the progress of Delideo, Tambling ect was supposed to be nearing its climax, and the expectations of the success starved snowballed.

We aren't that good.

We have several glaring deficiencies, talent wise and most certainly structure wise.
I'm not slashing my wrists about Wallaces comments,i'm sure he knows in his heart we have about 8 blokes still getting a game who he knows aren't finals material AFL players.
Due to fiscal problems we aren't at the forefront of recruiting or development,and our inability to fully utilize the rookie draft will probably see the odd gem slip through our fingers for free (Davey,Cox,Mitchell ect)

We have planned poorly IMO (just who was drafted as Staffords replacement when he retired?) and have seemingly endless skinny mid paced flankers who haven't the skill or hardness to be mids.
We also have problems with putting a decent spine on the park too.
Injury to Simmonds has left us with Knobel who is a tap ruckman with zero impact as a footballer (and subsequently injured anyhow) and poor young Patto who's been thrown to the wolves for height, size and experience.

I reckon Wallace has a better grasp on the list than most.
He knows were a mile away, and we should too.

Excellent, rational post.

Good attempt at drawing an overhead clap from me Honeycombe Spills, nearly...just nearly