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The AFLs proposed draft concessions for GC and WS teams

Yes, sure.

No doubt with our boys now at 21-22yo, their focus needs to be at winning games.
More important to build a winning culture at that age than at 18/19yo.

Let's hope the boys make a great fist of it this season.
Go Tiges!
 
Phantom said:
Yes, sure.

No doubt with our boys now at 21-22yo, their focus needs to be at winning games.
More important to build a winning culture at that age than at 18/19yo.

Let's hope the boys make a great fist of it this season.
Go Tiges!

This is what I am actually liking about this season. Every other time we have done "reasonably" well (by recent RFC standards anyway), its usually been on the back of a core of the senior experienced players. This is the first time in a long time its the kids rather than the match committee forcing the older guys out of the team, as they have been the ones for the most part delivering us the best onfield results.

I admit I would love to be looking at 2 top 4 picks at seasons end, but the prospect of building a team around a bunch of kids thirsty and desperate for success is appealing.
 
Phantom said:
We still don't seem to get the underlying strategy of rebuilding right.
The clubs who show the intestinal fortitude of staying down for 2 years, not just one, especially under the current rules seem to do much better.

Reckon our mistake was clearly coming up too early in 2005 & 2006.

Che sera!

Still not convinced about this strategy. There is not a lot of evidence to support it.

The Saints picked up a swag of early picks from 1999-2002 in consecutive drafts but have only risen to thereabouts but not quite.

The Hawks are assumed to be the big winners from the 2004-2006 drafts, and they most likely are, but so far only Franklin, Roughead, Lewis and Birchill have made any impact in the senior team. The core group that drives that team is unquestionably Mitchell, Hodge, Bateman, Croad, Williams, Sewell, Brown, Ladson, Campbell, Crawford, Clarke and Osborne most of whom were recruited with middle to late picks during the period when the Saints recruiting was supposedly dominant. If they happen to win this year's flag it won't be due to the recruiting during the Clarkson era, it will be due to their recruiting when they were middle of the road. Same with the Cats who have not really had early picks at all.

Carlton? Three number ones and a few more top 20 picks running around but they are looking towards a Judd led recruiting spree over the next couple of seasons to build their team. They will search for more senior bodies, not more kids in 2009-10.

There is not a lot of evidence to support the notion that two or three seasons in row at the bottom will enhance success in future, simply because no-one has had enough early picks to build a complete team, even over two or three years. On the contrary, the emergence of rookie list and other lowly picks at all clubs suggests that there are always good players available, regardless of when you are choosing. Dean Cox, anyone? Or Bock and Rutten? Our own Nathan Foley? Goldsack?

By way of contrast, one good draft in 2006 (specifically Thomas and Pendlebury) might be enough for Collingwood to go all the way over the next couple of seasons. Brisbane and PA rebuilt quickly (albeit on the back of their existing superstars) with only one year down the foot of the ladder. These clubs have all chosen well at the blunt end, as have the Tigers.

Natanui might well become a superstar but who is game enough to suggest that the same draft will not also yield three other ruckmen who start off as rookies and end up just as valuable?

Early picks merely give you a chance to dip in before others, increasing the chance of success. But how many do you get? One? Two? Giving the new teams access to 7 or 8 in one go will be another story. That is what should be scaring the existing clubs. Let's hope the pressure goes back onto the Kangaroos to fall on their sword.
 
For me, the implication is that when we probably go into our next rebuilding phase, which I guess will be about 2014/15, we would want to be building a strategy for doing it properly.

Thinking & planning for it now ensures that it runs successfully when it occurs.
 
TOT70 said:
Giving the new teams access to 7 or 8 in one go will be another story. That is what should be scaring the existing clubs. Let's hope the pressure goes back onto the Kangaroos to fall on their sword.

Yeah great. The AFL succeeds in cutting the roos out of the pack and knocking them off. Then the same thing happens to the next weak Melbourne club, until we're reduced to a managebly sized competition (12 clubs playing each other twice per season - 2 WA, 2 SA, 2 Qld, 2 NSW, 4 Vic). In the process 100s years of Victorian heritage is wiped out bit by bit for commercial gain, and you can bet the Tiges won't be one of the clubs left standing. The AFL's blatant favouring of Carlton over Judd and Pratt shows it's here for the long haul, and Pies, Essendon and Geelong aren't going anywhere.

The AFL is playing a long and devious game, and if the Melbourne clubs want to survive, they'd better stick together and work out a model for the competition that counters the AFL agenda.
 
Tiger74 said:
This is what I am actually liking about this season. Every other time we have done "reasonably" well (by recent RFC standards anyway), its usually been on the back of a core of the senior experienced players. This is the first time in a long time its the kids rather than the match committee forcing the older guys out of the team, as they have been the ones for the most part delivering us the best onfield results.

I admit I would love to be looking at 2 top 4 picks at seasons end, but the prospect of building a team around a bunch of kids thirsty and desperate for success is appealing.

Great post 74.
Added to the improved performances in the senior side, there are some very nice junior types coming through our lower levels.
Sure it would be great to get an Natanui every year but then you'd have to sacrifice the winning culture.
Winning like losing is infectious and often turns relatively ordinary junior players into very good ones just as it can turn talented ones into duds.
I'd take the winning culture of a club everytime over wooden spoons & the number one draft pick who can do a knee the moment he's selected.
 
With 18 teams its feasible many clubs will never win another premiership, especially with the spoon feeding the AFL will give these new clubs.

Also feasible some other clubs wont survive.
 
Phantom said:
For us, it's a double edged sword.

It's certainly great improving on last year.
But from a recruiting point of view, gee, there was a golden opportunity this season to pick up the no. 1 & 3 or 2 & 4 boys in the land, and we've walked away from it for short term gain.

Why is it short term gain?
So do you want us to come last again?
Our side why not great is on the way up.
We are not going to make the 8 and will end up bottom 4.
 
With all the concessions going to the new formative clubs from 09 onwards the recruiters would do well to have an indepth review of all the kids from the 06-07 and this years upcoming draft that were on clubs possible drafting lists but overlooked.
With the Coasters and West Syd wallowing in the cream for a few years the kids that were on the fringes having matured to 20 / 21y.o. will be the place to find some possible nuggets in 2009 / 2010. Time to clear out the veteran and rookie list at the end of season 09 and look to put maximum available rookies on during the 09 draft.
 
Clubs might be forced to go over their notes of the past 3-4 drafts on who missed out and perhaps re visit them to see where they are at 3-4 yrs on.