The Blair "Which?" Project

[linuscambridge]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Yep.What really stinks is the GC next year and more than likely GWS the year later once again can load up on high draft picks under the PP rule.Eventually they could afford to offload some of their quality kids to get drfat picks in future years.In other words the AFL have set these clubs up for the next 10 yrs at least,While our club and others have to do it the hard way.What a joke this is becoming.

What an absolute farce. The whole system is becoming a joke with all of the compensation picks, new club picks, and soon to be free agency picks. My attendance at the football has declined every year over the last 5 years and I can see myself playing a lot more golf in the future instead of wasting my time watching what is quickly becoming a circus at the AFL.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

I don't think that is right. It's a pick at the end of the first round. So if the last pick of the first round is pick 19 then our pick is #20 - it has nothing to do with where the Crows or us finish on the ladder.

Pretty sure it does.EG:If there are 3 clubs with an end of the 1st rnd compo pick then it depends on the ladder position of those clubs at the end of that year they use it[Clubs must nominate before the start of the season if they are to use that compo pick that year].In our case,Even though we have that Compo pick its where the Crows actually finish that year to which the order can be established should more than one club nominate.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

What an absolute farce. The whole system is becoming a joke with all of the compensation picks, new club picks, and soon to be free agency picks. My attendance at the football has declined every year over the last 5 years and I can see myself playing a lot more golf in the future instead of wasting my time watching what is quickly becoming a circus at the AFL.

Know how you feel mate.I mean are we less deserving of success than those up North? Thats how its fast becoming.Stuff the foundation state who,s supporters have made what the AFL is today.

 

[Sintiger]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

I don't think that is right. It's a pick at the end of the first round. So if the last pick of the first round is pick 19 then our pick is #20 - it has nothing to do with where the Crows or us finish on the ladder.

It is explained in the article on the AFL website about the compo picks this year for the players going to GWS . I don't think we are allowed to reproduce those articles or links but just google "Compensation picks order AFL" and go to the AFL site link about the recent compensation granted .

Basically it says that if it is an end of round 1 pick ( which I think it is ) then the order is decided by whoever finishes lower in that season i.e lower finish gets first pick . I can't find the reference but i am almost certain that this relates to the original owner of it if is traded , so Adelaide's finishing position not ours but I am not 100% certain on that .
There is a different rule if it is a round 1 pick ( not an end of round 1 ) , then it is the pick after that club's pick in the year they use it .

 

[Lennox Street]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Pretty sure it does.EG:If there are 3 clubs with an end of the 1st rnd compo pick then it depends on the ladder position of those clubs at the end of that year they use it[Clubs must nominate before the start of the season if they are to use that compo pick that year].In our case,Even though we have that Compo pick its where the Crows actually finish that year to which the order can be established should more than one club nominate.

The confusion is what if 5 clubs have and end-of-round pick what order do they happen in? My reading of the rule is that it is based on ladder order of the team taking the pick. That it does not remain linked to the team that generated it; or to the year it was orginally generated.

If it wasn't the system would be a farce.

We activate the Tambling pick preseason and it becomes pick 30.
We trade it for a GC 'banked' compo pick in trade week that is earlier. So now we have pick 24.
We immediately activate our pick for that draft.
GC bank the pick.

Free Agency will be an unknown but for a guy to become an unrestricted free agent he needs 10 years service so will have to be 28-29 and not many of those guys are going to offered huge contracts. A lot of those compo picks might be later ones (your Milburn, Baker types). The main impact of free agency will be delisted players. A delisted guy like Brad Miller you can just sign - don't have to use a rookie or draft pick on. A guy like Krakouer who got cut and went to the WAFL would be a free agent. I'd say most free agent signings will be cheapo non compensation types.

 

[tigs2010]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

The confusion is what if 5 clubs have and end-of-round pick what order do they happen in? My reading of the rule is that it is based on ladder order of the team taking the pick. That it does not remain linked to the team that generated it; or to the year it was orginally generated.

If it wasn't the system would be a farce.

We activate the Tambling pick preseason and it becomes pick 30.
We trade it for a GC 'banked' compo pick in trade week that is earlier. So now we have pick 24.
We immediately activate our pick for that draft.
GC bank the pick.

Free Agency will be an unknown but for a guy to become an unrestricted free agent he needs 10 years service so will have to be 28-29 and not many of those guys are going to offered huge contracts. A lot of those compo picks might be later ones (your Milburn, Baker types). The main impact of free agency will be delisted players. A delisted guy like Brad Miller you can just sign - don't have to use a rookie or draft pick on. A guy like Krakouer who got cut and went to the WAFL would be a free agent. I'd say most free agent signings will be cheapo non compensation types.

Agree with the last part. It will be a good way to pick up state-league players though. Can you FA a player onto the rookie list i wonder?

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

The way the compo picks worked last year, North's compo pick for Hale came in between the R1 and R2 picks (and after WCE's priority pick 26) at pick 27.

So, using that as a guide, we'd have 18 first round picks next year, then any priority picks (maybe 2-3) and then the compo picks. We "own" that pick now so it should be ordered among other compo picks depending on ladder position.

Still, whether it's pick 21 or 28, it's an extra Jake Batchelor or maybe even a Jack Darling. It's worth something.

 

[Sintiger]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Free Agency will be an unknown but for a guy to become an unrestricted free agent he needs 10 years service so will have to be 28-29 and not many of those guys are going to offered huge contracts. A lot of those compo picks might be later ones (your Milburn, Baker types). The main impact of free agency will be delisted players. A delisted guy like Brad Miller you can just sign - don't have to use a rookie or draft pick on. A guy like Krakouer who got cut and went to the WAFL would be a free agent. I'd say most free agent signings will be cheapo non compensation types.\

Thats true but there is also the restricted free agent . Players like Deledio , Franklin, Roughead , Griffin , Lewis etc are all restricted free agents next year and would demand high compensation , certainly not late picks .

 

[Lennox Street]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Thats true but there is also the restricted free agent . Players like Deledio , Franklin, Roughead , Griffin , Lewis etc are all restricted free agents next year and would demand high compensation , certainly not late picks .

But I don't see them moving. Clubs will match the offer on those guys.

 

[tigs2010]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Thats true but there is also the restricted free agent . Players like Deledio , Franklin, Roughead , Griffin , Lewis etc are all restricted free agents next year and would demand high compensation , certainly not late picks .

If any of them leave they will certainly stuff the draft order. How many of these types actually leave though?

 

[Sintiger]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

If any of them leave they will certainly stuff the draft order. How many of these types actually leave though?

Noone knows of course , there is no history on which to make a judgement .

To me the players at most risk are those playing for the clubs that have to pay around 92.5% of the salary cap . Just as an example what if Adelaide made a bid for Ryan Griffin or Collingwood for Daniel wells ? ( examples only I dont know their contract status ) . Clubs like the Bulldogs and North have got to have the money to match the offer .

TFTF is meant to be for both bidding for free agents and keeping restricted free agents at the club . Its one of the reasons why I believe that Lids won't go because we will just match any offer that comes and he won't want to go to GWS .But that's another topic !

 

[Tigerfan]

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What an absolute farce. The whole system is becoming a joke with all of the compensation picks, new club picks, and soon to be free agency picks. My attendance at the football has declined every year over the last 5 years and I can see myself playing a lot more golf in the future instead of wasting my time watching what is quickly becoming a circus at the AFL.

AFL A$L

 

[ToraToraTora]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

But I don't see them moving. Clubs will match the offer on those guys.

First, even we are supposed to be building up a so called "warchest". Collingwood probably have 50 Imperial Battlecrusiers and and a million stormtroopers.
Second, money is not the only factor. There have always been players wanting a change, and the cash will push a few over the edge for sure.

 

[GoodOne]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

But I don't see them moving. Clubs will match the offer on those guys.

Depends on who can offer the best under-the-table additional cash incentives. The system is already rorted, free agency will just maginfy the problem. Clubs WILL disappear. Having a large debt a this point in time is not a good thing.

 

[zippadeee]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Big rumor that I have started is that Reid & Cloke to RFC,
Revenge for 1983!

Is there any clay sampson's or Rory Hiltons for any trade this year???

 

[Scribblar]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Big rumor that I have started is that [size=10pt]Reid & Cloke to RFC[/size],
Revenge for 1983!

Is there any clay sampson's or Rory Hiltons for any trade this year???

Bruce & David?

 

[Tigerfan]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

good one Blair!!

Grigg and Houli amongst the Brownlow votes and in our top 10 in the JD Medal

 

[tigs2010]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Maric & Walters this year. Can he rip these clubs off in the process? ;D

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Would be happy with Maric and walters,as they both could turn out good players,

They want cost us much,and we still draft a few kids,maybe we can snagg a player there.

 

[Barnzy]

Re: The Blair Hartley Project

Scott Thompson re-signed with North.