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Hundreds of security guards banned over alleged accreditation fraud
Farrah Tomazin & Cameron Houston
The Age
June 26, 2019


Some of Marvel Stadium’s controversial crowd controllers are among hundreds of security guards who have had their licences suspended as part of an alleged fraud that could affect top Melbourne venues and sporting events.

Victoria Police sent suspension letters last week to about 400 guards working across the security industry over allegations that “false, forged and/or fraudulently obtained documentation” was used to obtain their security licences.

Industry sources say many of the guards were on international student visas and required further references to obtain accreditation to work in the industry.
Instead of doing that, they are said to have paid hundreds of dollars to a man police are now trying to locate who allegedly helped them falsify applications.

While the guards worked for a variety of firms, it is understood that many had been subcontracted by AIG Security, whose client base includes entertainment venues such as the Palais Theatre and the Forum, shopping giant Aldi, and the AFL-owned Marvel Stadium.

Marvel Stadium's security, including its controversial team of ''behavioural awareness officers'', has come under the spotlight in recent months for its overzealous approach, including eviction of football fans for relatively minor transgressions.

The controversy prompted a recent review by management, after the sporting venue’s chief executive, Michael Green, conceded some patrons felt intimidated by the more-visible security presence.

But the suspensions also point to wider problems within the industry, which has long been the subject of concerns about worker exploitation, poor training and lacklustre regulation.

Such problems will soon form part of a broad-ranging inquiry announced by the Andrews government in the lead up to last November’s Victorian election.

Ben Redford, state secretary of the United Voice union, said the industry was ''overrun by cowboy operators'.

''Every day we see security contractors, large and small, cutting corners as they scramble to increase their profit margins ..."

“It’s time this industry was put under a microscope. We also want to see the government beef up the powers and resources of the regulator to weed out these dodgy operators."

Asked about the suspensions this week, a police spokesman confirmed that its licensing and regulation division was reviewing “a number of private security individual licence holders in relation to the validity of applications”.

The spokesman said police could not comment further at this stage, noting that “the provision of information relating to the specifics of the operation may compromise the progress of the investigation”.

However, a letter sent to one guard and obtained by The Age informs the worker that the police's licensing division had suspended the guard's licence, effective immediately, on the grounds that “the Private Security Individual Operator Licence application submitted contains false/forged and/or fraudulently obtained documentation”.

The letter also informs the guard that any attempt to renew the licence was likely to be refused on the grounds that the “incident indicates a discreditable behaviour” and the licensing division could not be satisfied they would meet probity requirements.

In order to get a security licence in Victoria, guards must generally undertake a recognised security course with a registered training organisation, and also have a reference from someone who has known them for at least 12 months and so can guarantee they are a “fit and proper person”.

In this case, some applicants were allegedly able to get around this requirement by paying a referee to vouch for them. It is understood that person, who sources believe has since fled the country, now forms part of the police investigation.

AIG Security did not respond to repeated requests for comment. However, a security industry insider said some of the guards used by AIG had no basic training.

"It's become a joke really. You've got registered training organisations churning out graduates who can't even use a radio, let alone defuse a dangerous situation.

“And a lot of the foreign blokes don't have any English [language skills], which makes it hard for them to deal with crowds," the source said.

Representatives for Marvel Stadium did not respond to phone calls or emails.

https://www.theage.com.au/melbourne-news/hundreds-of-security-guards-banned-over-alleged-accreditation-fraud-20190626-p521k8.html
It's been going on for years, but has been kept relatively hush, hush. Very wide spread even in the ATO

 

TigerMasochist

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No frigging surprise. Haven't been bag checked or wanded at Eddiehead Maaarvellous stadium this year, now I know why. Untrained dodgy bullshit security operators.

Reckon at least half of those RTO's are scammers, as long as they get your agreement over the phone to take an approved training course the claim goes in for the Govt subsidy n no-one in Govt ever bothers checking or verifying, just hand out the cash.
 
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Al Bundy

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I couldnt help myself and laugh.
Jeff was spot on no matter what people thought of his choice of words he was trying to highlight this exact point.
Explains also the guard that ran out to stop 2 players fighting.... hahahahahaha
I wonder who pushed the request behind the scenes to get this checked out. Someone must have been really ticked off.
AFL must be imploding watching this unfold.
 

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The difference between a lying CEO of say a big bank, and Gil is??????????????
The Bank CEOs were exposed in a Royal Commission. Gil just answers to the AFL Commission of which he is a member
 
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Baloo

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Jeff was spot on no matter what people thought of his choice of words he was trying to highlight this exact point.
Spot on by assuming a non-Anglo Saxon looking security guard was a new arrival who had no idea of the game? That's spot on Racism 101
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Apparently last night's score review debacle was ok according to Gil..
Laughable.
Not sure they are culpable on that one. The video review was far from conclusive. Maybe it was touched, maybe it wasn't, but the video didn't show it one way or the other.

Agree with Hardwick's take, that he doesn't like decisions based on a finger possibly being bent back in blurry video. Can't blame him after losing the GWS game in 2017.
 

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Not sure they are culpable on that one. The video review was far from conclusive. Maybe it was touched, maybe it wasn't, but the video didn't show it one way or the other.

Agree with Hardwick's take, that he doesn't like decisions based on a finger possibly being bent back in blurry video. Can't blame him after losing the GWS game in 2017.
Something that the media hasn't picked up yet is the look of the fingers going back when the ball passes them is often an illusion created by the cameras, a bit like low catches in cricket always looking like they don't carry.

There have been instances where it looked like a finger bend but another camera angle shows it nowhere near.

I've also personally seen an instance where there was controversy about the touch being missed based on a finger moving, but the player themselves said after the game they definitely did not touch the ball.
 
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Good to see Gil (the Fonz) once again not acknowledge that they got it Wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .......... again.
 

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The issue for me is the AFL are happy to take the money on Gambling, and then put some junior AFL employee in charge of goal reviews which can decide whether or not some wins or loses a bet. Either do it properly or not at all. Why persist with this half arsed effort the current system is
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Something that the media hasn't picked up yet is the look of the fingers going back when the ball passes them is often an illusion created by the cameras, a bit like low catches in cricket always looking like they don't carry.

There have been instances where it looked like a finger bend but another camera angle shows it nowhere near.

I've also personally seen an instance where there was controversy about the touch being missed based on a finger moving, but the player themselves said after the game they definitely did not touch the ball.
This was some of the "evidence" tendered.

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The ball is out of shape and multiple fingers on the right hand appear bent back. And McKernan could stab someone with that right boot. Video aftefacts abound.

How many of us would be happy for a Richmond goal to be overturned at a crucial stage based on that?

The bigger controversy would've been if they did overturn it.
 
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Baloo

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The goal review needs to stay at goal line review. Not in field of play touches. It opens the door to free kicks, marks, all sorts of other **** being reviewed down the line. It'll be NFL like if we let the AFL and crocmedia have their way.
 

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The goal review needs to stay at goal line review. Not in field of play touches. It opens the door to free kicks, marks, all sorts of other **** being reviewed down the line. It'll be NFL like if we let the AFL and crocmedia have their way.
Agreed Bear
 

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Interested to know if there were any issues with the Gilstapo yesterday. Did anyone at teh game see or experience anything heavy-handed?
On level 3 yesterday, never once saw security enter an aisle. Walked around the concourse up there too. Low key.
New SECURITY vests.
Normal service has resumed!
 
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Bill James

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Those who dare complain are routinely dismissed as bigots by league headquarters and its daft cheerleaders in the media; the same out-of-touch clowns who condemned thousands of fans as racist for booing Adam Goodes, never mind that the booing was not racially motivated no matter how desperately they try to rewrite history.
AIG Security Behavioural Awareness officer's at Marvel Stadium. Picture: Twitter.

Is there anything more tiresome and tragically clueless than the woke footy media opining about issues such as racism, sexism and diversity. You get more insight conversing with toddlers on how best to denuclearise the Korean Peninsula.
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Round 5 Sydney vs Melbourne. Adam Goodes 3 votes (18 disp 5 marks 1 goal 6 HO) Jeff White ( 17 disp 9 marks 3 goals 28 HO) zero votes
Round 14 Sydney vs West Coast Adam Goodes 3 votes (21 disposals 9 marks 0 goals) Dankel Kerr (23 disp 5 marks, 4 goals) 2 votes
Round 16 Sydney vs Carlton Adam Goodes 2 votes (13 disp, 3 marks 1 goal) Koudafides (27 disp ) zero votes O'Loughlin (15 disp 5 goals) zero votes
Round 17 Sydney vs Fremantle Adam Goodes 2 votes (12 disp 4 marks 1 goal) O'Loughlin (20 disp 10 marks 2 goals) zero votes

Plenty of reasons this guy got booed other than racism, the sniping, the diving, the votes for nothing, the lack of suspension and finally playing the victim when he was a dual brownlow medallist, Australian of the year and the perceived beneficiary of some pretty serious affirmative action on brownlow and tribunal nights. Didn't boo him myself but very little sympathy.