The Great Over-reactor

[Varricho]

I know it's only Round 1, but I feel like the season is dead.

This could be the situation Melbourne we're in last year. They were touted to make the 8 pre last season and look what happened.

Geelong and the Bulldogs coming up - we should be 0-3 with about 40% after 3 rounds. Confidence completely shot and everyone writing us off.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sheeds is care-taker coach by Round 4.


If we come back and make the 8 from here, we'll be talking about great character for years to come.

Here's hoping hey.

 

[Philster]

Mate, cmon....stick tough with the guys. Yeah I know that was *smile* last night, I sat there in M54 section just shaking my head at what I saw, but we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

The next few weeks will be interesting,and time will tell what happens at all levels in the Club, but the fact remains we play Geelong in a few days time, and we just need to regroup,and have a go....

 

[btoz_01]

Mate, cmon....stick tough with the guys. Yeah I know that was sh!t last night, I sat there in M54 section just shaking my head at what I saw, but we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

The next few weeks will be interesting,and time will tell what happens at all levels in the Club, but the fact remains we play Geelong in a few days time, and we just need to regroup,and have a go....

Yes the players need to regroup and put in an effort against the Pussies.
We cant harden up any further as supporters its almost 29 years since our last flag. We have to stop accepting mediocrity and start being ruthless again

 

[davidrodan]

Philster it's hard to stick with the players when they ain't willing to put in

don't get me wrong I still love the RFC, would never contemplate ripping up my membership and can handle a loss
but when the players give that type of performance it's unacceptable
and when it keeps happening then there is something wrong

We can have a good game against the Cats and sure that is good but it doesn't fix the underlying issue of our lack of pressure, poor disposal and making poor decisions under pressure

All the other teams know (and have known for a while) that if you put us under pressure then we will turn to water

whether that is a leadership, culture, coaching issue i am not sure but it needs to be addressed now
as there is no use making the finals if you are just going to crumble under finals pressure

Yes the players need to regroup and put in an effort against the Pussies.
We cant harden up any further as supporters its almost 29 years since our last flag. We have to stop accepting mediocrity and start being ruthless again

Yep we need to start being ruthless btoz, starting now, only those willing to put the effort in should be allowed to play against the Cats

 

[Tiger Opinion]

Mate, cmon....stick tough with the guys. Yeah I know that was sh!t last night, I sat there in M54 section just shaking my head at what I saw, but we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

The next few weeks will be interesting,and time will tell what happens at all levels in the Club, but the fact remains we play Geelong in a few days time, and we just need to regroup,and have a go....

Agree Philster. Last night was crap and everyone has deservedly said that it was unacceptable, but geez if you're going to write off a season after one round you need to learn to toughen the *smile* up.

Remember, in 2005 we got thumped by the cats in round 1 and then went on to win 7 of the next 8. 2006 we lost to the doggies by 100+ points and went 0-3 but we then won 11 games that year.

 

[TigerForce]

Agree Philster. Last night was crap and everyone has deservedly said that it was unacceptable, but geez if you're going to write off a season after one round you need to learn to toughen the *smile* up.

Remember, in 2005 we got thumped by the cats in round 1 and then went on to win 7 of the next 8. 2006 we lost to the doggies by 100+ points and went 0-3 but we then won 11 games that year.

2005 was Wallace's first season, so we all gave him hope and time.

2009 is his last and the same mediocre style of play shows.

Big difference.

 

[davidrodan]

Agree Philster. Last night was crap and everyone has deservedly said that it was unacceptable, but geez if you're going to write off a season after one round you need to learn to toughen the *smile* up.

Remember, in 2005 we got thumped by the cats in round 1 and then went on to win 7 of the next 8. 2006 we lost to the doggies by 100+ points and went 0-3 but we then won 11 games that year.

Yeah we won becasue there was no pressure and we weren't expected to win
When the pressure is applied we turn back to 'the tigers of same old'
I wanna see THE TIGERS OF OLD and that means winning when we are expected to win, step up to the pressure and not shy away from it

there is an issue here and it needs to be addressed now

 

[Tiger Opinion]

2005 was Wallace's first season, so we all gave him hope and time.

2009 is his last and the same mediocre style of play shows.

Big difference.

Yes, that's a big difference but the same rule applies. The players, coach and club will be judged by a season, not one game.

 

[GoodOne]

we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

Tiger supporters are the hardest known substance on Earth

 

[Knighta]

Mate, cmon....stick tough with the guys. Yeah I know that was sh!t last night, I sat there in M54 section just shaking my head at what I saw, but we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

The next few weeks will be interesting,and time will tell what happens at all levels in the Club, but the fact remains we play Geelong in a few days time, and we just need to regroup,and have a go....

wow we need to harden up eh?
i have stuck through thin bassically my whole life with richmond!
i would stick by the tigers if a player such as lids or tambling came out and was completely honest and said "we were hopeless and not one of the 30,000 members deserved that" and we didnt! i could accept losing by 5 goals but about half way through the last quarter it was our players looking at eachother for someone to blame!

 

[TigerForce]

Yes, that's a big difference but the same rule applies. The players, coach and club will be judged by a season, not one game.

Of course. It's ridiculous to sack him now or early in the season.

For the sake of the players, it's best to see how they co-operate with the coach(es) throughout this season and if the same problem arises late in the season, then it's time to act.

Bringing in a caretaker coach is a complete waste IMO.

If things go badly throughout each round, then March has to start interviewing other candidates informally (hopefully without the media around).

 

[itsintheblood]

Mate, cmon....stick tough with the guys. Yeah I know that was sh!t last night, I sat there in M54 section just shaking my head at what I saw, but we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

The next few weeks will be interesting,and time will tell what happens at all levels in the Club, but the fact remains we play Geelong in a few days time, and we just need to regroup,and have a go....

I find this perplexing. We need to harden up as supporters? What does this mean exactly? Should we just sit back and just cop the *smile* dished out to us year after year? Please expand.

 

[year of the tiger]

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Mate, cmon....stick tough with the guys. Yeah I know that was sh!t last night, I sat there in M54 section just shaking my head at what I saw, but we need to bloody well harden up as supporters.

The next few weeks will be interesting,and time will tell what happens at all levels in the Club, but the fact remains we play Geelong in a few days time, and we just need to regroup,and have a go....

I agree with the above - the name of this thread says it all - see my response below that I posted on another thread.

I think most of us thought Richmond had moved on from this type of performance, but I think the next 4 weeks will tell us the true nature of where the team is at - and hence the coach. We are not THAT BAD, and I am still yet to be convinced Carlton is THAT GOOD (but could be proved wrong).

I was stunned watching it unfold, but I also think the players were equally stunned - they were like rabbits with lights shining into their eyes, they couldn't run, they hesitated, they competed against each other, couldn't take uncontested marks ........... I think it is very hard to change a game "culture" like that once it starts to unravel the way it did.

Part of the problem is that the expectations on this game were surreal. It was like if we win we will be playing finals, if we loose, season over.

My view of season 09 for Richmond is that I can easily see us being 1 - 4 after the first 5 rounds (said this before somewhere) and then we start to put winning games together in a way that will enable us to make the 8. (2 - 3 would be much better).

No need to panic yet, but the test of our true level of intensity, committment, quality etc in our game will be revealed over the next 4 weeks. We need to win 1, if not 2 of those to be back on track. ie how we respond to last night will tell us everything we need to know.

 

[davidrodan]

In environmental management there is prevention and remediation (and this applies to many things)

by saying that the next 4,10,22 weeks will show how we respond, to me, is remediation
ie. how we clean up after thursday nights mess
now that is fine but it does not address the issue of how we got into thursday nights mess

we should be looking at prevention
ie what went wrong? How can it be fixed?

It'd be great to have a positive response from our mess but it would be better to not have any mess in the first place

There are underlying issues that need to be addressed

 

[Baloo]

The supporters are a lot harder than the players are.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

We have put in several performances like this every year under Wallace's coaching (and for many years before that).

Losing is one thing, and everyone can accept losing to a better side if we have given 100%. But to lose like that consistently over many years shows a lack of personal pride, passion and self respect. It is like a cancer at the club that affects all who walk through the door.

Without looking at the stats, I reckon we would cop these sorts of hidings 3 or 4 times per year.....there are too many to remember over the past 4 years or so, whether they be 100 point floggings or rolling over on the big stage.

And a lack of leadership is another glaring weakness, and has been for many years. When the chips are down, we have a history of rolling over. Last night showed that some things never change. That is my biggest concern....that despite all of the spin coming out of Punt Road about how we are locked and loaded, we are just wheeling out the same players who will deliver us the same old crap all over again.

My biggest fear is that the only way we can rectify the problem is to clean out the list and start all over again, and that will take years.

 

[Michael]

We have put in several performances like this every year under Wallace's coaching (and for many years before that).

Losing is one thing, and everyone can accept losing to a better side if we have given 100%. But to lose like that consistently over many years shows a lack of personal pride, passion and self respect. It is like a cancer at the club that affects all who walk through the door.

Without looking at the stats, I reckon we would cop these sorts of hidings 3 or 4 times per year.....there are too many to remember over the past 4 years or so, whether they be 100 point floggings or rolling over on the big stage.

And a lack of leadership is another glaring weakness, and has been for many years. When the chips are down, we have a history of rolling over. Last night showed that some things never change. That is my biggest concern....that despite all of the spin coming out of Punt Road about how we are locked and loaded, we are just wheeling out the same players who will deliver us the same old crap all over again.

My biggest fear is that the only way we can rectify the problem is to clean out the list and start all over again, and that will take years.

Groundhog Day

 

[Harry]

we fluctuate from 9th to spoon. Last year we finished 9th.

 

[davidrodan]

we fluctuate from 9th to spoon. Last year we finished 9th.

so your tipping us for finals then this year Hazza ;D

man, first laugh i've had all day and I don't think it was mean't to be funny