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The Greater Tiger? Rance or Grimes

Who is the greater tiger?


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vernissage

Tiger Rookie
May 28, 2005
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Rance was a twice in a lifetime player: Rance & St Francis in the same conversation.

I love Grimes, but to quote drily the the Great Jack Dyer, "he's a good ordinary player." A Gaspar. A Merv Keane. Better than Kellaway, and that's some thing. He stepped up; he's an All-Australian; he's a triple premiership player. He, with Bachar, is the backline co-captain. A champion and life member.

But.
For a time, Rance was the first picked in the side- the backbone-more important than Dusty. And Dusty is the greatest...
 
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eZyT

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Jun 28, 2019
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I have been largely swayed by the case that Rance was the better than Grimes (lets forget the red herring of St.Frank the wingman)

However,

I could listen to the argument 24 hours a day, for eternity

and continue to scoff at the notion

that Rance was better than Dusty.

thats downright absurd.
 
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Coburgtiger

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May 7, 2012
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I have been largely swayed by the case that Rance was the better than Grimes (lets forget the red herring of St.Frank the wingman)

However,

I could listen to the argument 24 hours a day, for eternity

and continue to scoff at the notion

that Rance was better than Dusty.

thats downright absurd.

From 2013 to half way through 2017 if someone told me to pick an All Australian side to play for the world championship, I would have picked Rance at number 1.

No contest.

Since that period, it would be Dusty.

It's a crying shame we were robbed of a real comparison over the last few years.

But it's pretty clear Dusty would still be the only one in GOAT conversations (position independent).
 
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eZyT

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From 2013 to half way through 2017 if someone told me to pick an All Australian side to play for the world championship, I would have picked Rance at number 1.

No contest.

Since that period, it would be Dusty.

It's a crying shame we were robbed of a real comparison over the last few years.

But it's pretty clear Dusty would still be the only one in GOAT conversations (position independent).

yeah I hear ya.

we've essentially had a once-in-a-lifetime player,

twice.
 
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hutstar

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Dec 17, 2002
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Firstly, excellent question and support more of these "which champion was better" type questions.
However, Rance changed the very way football is played. He was, until his ACL, in his 7 year at least of being head and shoulders above anyone else in the back half of the field. He was an outstanding club man and leader also. Grimes is a gun, but really, a few more All-Aussie type years required before it's even a debate for mine.
 
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Baloo

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Nov 8, 2005
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I'll never forget the Rance spoil. Not sure who or when but he was marking the last man, opposition had a kick out, Rance takes off, sprints, dunno, 60 or 70m, and spoils the mark from the kickout.

To read what was happening from back there and then having the self-belief to back himself to get there and spoil was simply ridiculous. Actually that explains Rance in many of the things he did, Ridiculous.
 
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Dont Argue

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Jun 26, 2018
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I'll never forget the Rance spoil. Not sure who or when but he was marking the last man, opposition had a kick out, Rance takes off, sprints, dunno, 60 or 70m, and spoils the mark from the kickout.

To read what was happening from back there and then having the self-belief to back himself to get there and spoil was simply ridiculous. Actually that explains Rance in many of the things he did, Ridiculous.
The more I think about it, the more embarrassed I feel that we compare the 2 players at this stage. Rance was ridiculous in what he could do. Regularly pantsed entire forward lines. Got to contests that he had no right to influence. Regularly.
I’ve seen Grimes have some extraordinary games but not even close to the regularity of Rance. Needs another 5 years of being the main man and dominating the backline to be considered a legend.
In actual fact if you surveyed 100 ex and current AFL forwards, I doubt you’d get 5% voting for Grimes. Those 5% would likely include players that Rance humiliated and have never got over it.
We love Grimes. I get it, but if you voted for Grimes, I would simply quote Peter Garret : Short memories.
 
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eZyT

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Jun 28, 2019
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The more I think about it, the more embarrassed I feel that we compare the 2 players at this stage. Rance was ridiculous in what he could do. Regularly pantsed entire forward lines. Got to contests that he had no right to influence. Regularly.
I’ve seen Grimes have some extraordinary games but not even close to the regularity of Rance. Needs another 5 years of being the main man and dominating the backline to be considered a legend.
In actual fact if you surveyed 100 ex and current AFL forwards, I doubt you’d get 5% voting for Grimes. Those 5% would likely include players that Rance humiliated and have never got over it.
We love Grimes. I get it, but if you voted for Grimes, I would simply quote Peter Garret : Short memories.

maybe,

but at 29, Dylan could win 2 or 3 more flags

and there wont be a debate.
 

eZyT

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I look forward to the Richo vs Castagna debate

I'll open the prosecution .....

How many career behinds did Richo kick in Grand Finals :cool:

seriously though, its an interesting one.

I was looking at JR's stats the other day, and the better he goes on paper, the worse off we are as a side. He won the Coleman and our B&F the only year out of the last 4 when we didn't win the flag.

I remember being completely puzzled in maybe 2015/16 when Dima said he wanted Jack kicking less goals.

which beg the question,

is the better teammate better than the better player? (the old champion team beats a team of champions)

The answer is what makes JR, Trent, Dusty and Shedda and probably Dion and Dylan and possibly Nank and maybe Lambo so incredible: ultimate individual players; ultimate teammates. (Noah and $hai are champions of our future)

Dimma has been able to mould a champion team of champions.

we probably have half a dozen legitimate champions in this champion side?
 
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Scoop

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Dec 8, 2004
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Rance could cover two blokes 30 meters apart and make the kicker nervous about both options.

Dylan covers 30 metres quicker and with more intent than anyone I’ve ever seen.

I still think it’s Rance, the 5AA’s for a key back is outrageous & it’s outrageous that Dylan doesn’t already have 3.

If Dylan finishes up with 4 flags and 3AA’s he‘s an immortal of the game. Like Alex.
 
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ToraToraTora

Two outta three ain't bad.
Mar 21, 2005
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Tross by a head. But the fact that this is a legit qn clearly shows we are still living in good times.
 

St Kevin

Vlastuin 3:16
Apr 1, 2014
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That might make him a greater Tiger, but not a greater player for mine.

This current team could end up with 6 flags and I'd still have Richo ahead of all bar a few as a player.

Agree, the answer is Rance quite comfortably. He was so good that opposition forward lines gameplanned around him. Grimes is great, but Rance was a generational player.
 
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