The rebuild starts now. 2 years and 6 rounds too late.

[Tigers2011]

Take a fifth round pick for Tivendale or Krakouer. In all liklihood, no one would want either.

 

[sgloury]

Take a fifth round pick for Tivendale or Krakouer. In all liklihood, no one would want either.

That is my point. If other Clubs dont want our players, you can't trade them.

 

[Spirit of Jack]

At least we know where we are.

At least we can stop plugging holes and let the whole dam fall apart.

For the past 2 years or so Wallace has overrated our list and had never done a proper rebuild.

In his time here he's topped up with Graham, P.Bowden and Kingsley and kept players such as Stafford, Chaffey, AKellaway, Gaspar, Johnson, Richo etc . on for longer than required. This doesn't sound like a rebuild to me. This sounds like a half arsed attempt to do 2 things at once. That is to try to scavange wins while trying to appear like you are rebuilding. This was never gonna succeed. Some clubs can do this but those clubs have genuine senior leaders - we don't.

I disagree completely with all of these claims coming out only after yesterdays thrashing, that Wallace has made a half baked attempt at rebuilding the list.

Have a look at the 2004 list compared to now. On it you will find the following 24 players that Wallace has turned over and are no longer at the Richmond Football Club.

Kyle Archibald
Justin Blumfield
Wayne Campbell
Mark Chaffey
Marc Dragacevic
Aaron Fiora
Tim Fleming
Simon Fletcher
Darren Gaspar
Alex Gilmour
Rory Hilton
Adam Houlihan
Andrew Kelleway
Duncan Kelleway
Ben Marsh
Shane Morrison
Bill Nicholls
Brad Ottens
Tom Roach
David Rodan
Matt Rogers
Greg Stafford
Luke Weller
Ty Zantuck

In two and a half years at the Club, Wallace has turned over almost 60% of the playing list. That looks like a fairly major rebuild to me.

And I think that everyone will agree that many of the players on the list above had to go before some of the more experienced players that the ferals are now calling to be chopped.

The fact remains that you cannot delist 25 players in a year. And even if you did, you would end up with a heap of skinny kids most of whom are not going to be anywhere near as good as some of the duds that you have delisted.
Playing a heap of kids before they are ready is a sure way to cop a heap of thrashings just like we did yesterday. They need some older experienced quality players around them that can compete with the opposition and make the transition and initiation into AFL easier for the kids.

Wallace is by no means perfect but he is on the right path IMO. He has turned the list over and will continue to do so as the rebuilding phase continues.

But to claim that he has not rebuilt is incorrect. Have a look at the list from 2004 for evidence of this.

This is a matter of degrees. Richmond had the worst list by a mile and it has been partly rebuilt. The Hawks had a better list and they cut much deeper to secure more young talent. You cant be half pregnant in this league - or you get beaten by 157 points.

 

[sgloury]

At least we know where we are.

At least we can stop plugging holes and let the whole dam fall apart.

For the past 2 years or so Wallace has overrated our list and had never done a proper rebuild.

In his time here he's topped up with Graham, P.Bowden and Kingsley and kept players such as Stafford, Chaffey, AKellaway, Gaspar, Johnson, Richo etc . on for longer than required. This doesn't sound like a rebuild to me. This sounds like a half arsed attempt to do 2 things at once. That is to try to scavange wins while trying to appear like you are rebuilding. This was never gonna succeed. Some clubs can do this but those clubs have genuine senior leaders - we don't.

I disagree completely with all of these claims coming out only after yesterdays thrashing, that Wallace has made a half baked attempt at rebuilding the list.

Have a look at the 2004 list compared to now. On it you will find the following 24 players that Wallace has turned over and are no longer at the Richmond Football Club.

Kyle Archibald
Justin Blumfield
Wayne Campbell
Mark Chaffey
Marc Dragacevic
Aaron Fiora
Tim Fleming
Simon Fletcher
Darren Gaspar
Alex Gilmour
Rory Hilton
Adam Houlihan
Andrew Kelleway
Duncan Kelleway
Ben Marsh
Shane Morrison
Bill Nicholls
Brad Ottens
Tom Roach
David Rodan
Matt Rogers
Greg Stafford
Luke Weller
Ty Zantuck

In two and a half years at the Club, Wallace has turned over almost 60% of the playing list. That looks like a fairly major rebuild to me.

And I think that everyone will agree that many of the players on the list above had to go before some of the more experienced players that the ferals are now calling to be chopped.

The fact remains that you cannot delist 25 players in a year. And even if you did, you would end up with a heap of skinny kids most of whom are not going to be anywhere near as good as some of the duds that you have delisted.
Playing a heap of kids before they are ready is a sure way to cop a heap of thrashings just like we did yesterday. They need some older experienced quality players around them that can compete with the opposition and make the transition and initiation into AFL easier for the kids.

Wallace is by no means perfect but he is on the right path IMO. He has turned the list over and will continue to do so as the rebuilding phase continues.

But to claim that he has not rebuilt is incorrect. Have a look at the list from 2004 for evidence of this.

This is a matter of degrees. Richmond had the worst list by a mile and it has been partly rebuilt. The Hawks had a better list and they cut much deeper to secure more young talent. You cant be half pregnant in this league - or you get beaten by 157 points.

Well if you were Wallace - what would you have done?

You have players with little trade value on the list so you can't get any reasonable trades for them.

What do you do then with players that come under the microscope eg Richo, Bowden etc - give them away for 4th or 5th round draft picks to secure players the calibre of Kyle Archibald or Dean Limbach? :

 

[Ghost of Punt Road]

I find getting roaring drunk BEFORE watching the game helps.

You laugh instead of cry.

 

[sgloury]

This is a matter of degrees. Richmond had the worst list by a mile and it has been partly rebuilt. The Hawks had a better list and they cut much deeper to secure more young talent. You cant be half pregnant in this league - or you get beaten by 157 points.

From their 2004 list, Hawthorn have cut 25 players off their list.

In the same time, Richmond have cut 24 players, so I am not sure that they have cut that much deeper to secure young talent.

Maybe they have devceloped that talent better or maybe they identified better talent, but not sure that they have turned over their list significantly faster than what Wallace has.