The RFC is FINISHED

[Tigerhart04]

Not a good thread title fud.

As long as we have passionate supporters who stick by the club RFC will never be finished. Coaches, Board members, players and staff will come and go but we'll still be there.

Spot on Rosy :clap

 

[Baloo]

There is passion in the Tigers, but this weekend has triggered my shut off valve. There was a lot of hope there for a while that the kids were coming through to play hard, tough, fast fotty without taking a backward step. These last few weeks have highlighted the fact that I was getting too excited too early.

So now I am back to the same feeling as last year and the year before. Wins are great, but losses don't hurt as much anymore. Time to start looking at the kids in the draft and seeing what we can realistically get with our picks. Up until yesterday I would have been disgusted to hear anyone say we should tank for drafts picks. Today, I don't care if we don't win another match to setup this years draft as potentially Richmond's best ever.

It sucks to feel like this...

 

[Willo]

There is passion in the Tigers, but this weekend has triggered my shut off valve. There was a lot of hope there for a while that the kids were coming through to play hard, tough, fast fotty without taking a backward step. These last few weeks have highlighted the fact that I was getting too excited too early.

So now I am back to the same feeling as last year and the year before. Wins are great, but losses don't hurt as much anymore. Time to start looking at the kids in the draft and seeing what we can realistically get with our picks. Up until yesterday I would have been disgusted to hear anyone say we should tank for drafts picks. Today, I don't care if we don't win another match to setup this years draft as potentially Richmond's best ever.

It sucks to feel like this...

I know the feeling Baloo. At least when the young boys were playing I could handle a loss a bit better. At least we knew they were being blooded and inconsistency would rear its head and mistakes would be made.

BUT we could see some direction and could actually determine whether some of these boys had something. Now I'm confused as to the direction we supposed to be going and bloody disappointed with how we're doing it.
One step forward, two steps back.

 

[seven]

Personally, although the current efforts can be very frustrating, I see a different perspective.

In the past, we've had to keep on playing ordinary players because the list was so poor.
From what I saw today, apart from last week, there is a consistent pattern. There is a group of very good players and conversely there is a very poor group. The good players get us into a very good position by half time. Unfortunately the poor players, when usually called upon to add that bit extra in the second half, invariably let us down.

In past seasons this contrast has been somewhat blurred because we had juniors who were still developing. But now they are at an age where they can carry themselves on there own merit.

The positive, and it's a huge positive, is that we have some extremely good young players.

The future of the club will depend now on whether we continue to persist with players who have, year upon year, let us down.

In previous years, we've had to. I don't think that's so now. I don't need to identify these players here but all I can say is, enjoy yourselves in probably your last season of AFL footy.

The key to our second half of the season may be to give a few more talented juniors, on the margin, a bit more of an opportunity.

I might also suggest that the test of a decent match committee is how well it can facilitate effective transformation.

I would suggest their efforts recently have been more transactional than transformational.

Agree. Our junior players are playing better the most of our senior players.

My biggest concern is a spine, apart from Thirsty we have no young KPP coming through this year. Plus our ruck stocks weren't addressed this year in the draft. Why did we trade our second round pick for a flanker when it could have been used on a ruckman. ???

 

[taraba]

Agree. Our junior players are playing better the most of our senior players.

My biggest concern is a spine, apart from Thirsty we have no young KPP coming through this year. Plus our ruck stocks weren't addressed this year in the draft. Why did we trade our second round pick for a flanker when it could have been used on a ruckman. ???

Well we took Dean Putt who is a very talented ruck/forward and we managed to get Alex Rance. If we can get say two of either Hurley, Cornelius, McKernan, Watts or a Trengrove in this year's draft we're going to be OK. Probably dreaming but we'll get at least one of these for sure.

And we are also still in the mix for Naitanui by virtue of a looming priority pick :devilsmiley

 

[seven]

Well we took Dean Putt who is a very talented ruck/forward and we managed to get Alex Rance. If we can get say two of either Hurley, Cornelius, McKernan, Watts or a Trengrove in this year's draft we're going to be OK. Probably dreaming but we'll get at least one of these for sure.

And we are also still in the mix for Naitanui by virtue of a looming priority pick :devilsmiley

Don't know about Rance being a KPP. But time will tell.

My main concern is why hasn't this issue been addressed earlier. Dumb recruiting of Graham (guy who only wanted to play 1 more year), Knoble, mr puss 'n boots from geelong. These pick should have been used on KPP players.

 

[dimmauchump]

Understand where you are coming from Phantom as there is no doubt we have some of the best young kids this club has seen in a long time. My concern and frustration is that along the years we have always had plenty of exciting young talents that have played some fantastic football in their first 1-2 games but seem to drop off after that. My belief is that there is a major culture problem down at Tigerland, and no matter how good the young guys are when they get there, they will never reach their heights. I honestly believed when Wallace was appointed that we would regain that hunger and passion that was legend of this great club. Seems after 4 years, he is going down the same path as Frawley. Until we rid ourselves of players i have mentioned in my first post, then we are in BIG trouble.

My title might seems a little harsh, but if we continue with the same coaching panel, and mediocre senior players, they will instill their same selfish, soft and useless mentality into the next crop of youngsters ala Deledio, Tambling etc. These guys are our next senior core, so once they are affected, they will pass it on to the next generation. That is the cycle that has been the RFC since 1983!!! Someone has to come in and break it up. I'm also not that positive about certain players playing their last year of football at RFC, as i'm sure we just resigned Tuck this year for another 2 years!!!

Cotchin in todays paper noted that is has taken him 3-4 games just to get used to the pace and fitness of playing senior football. How then do we expect our youngsters to develop into senior players when we give them 2 games and then drop them to the twos?? What is worse then that is certain youngsters are left in the twos for years and become accustomed to its standard. That then means they are good VFL players but will never make it to the AFL!!! Hence we hang on to these players for 5-6 years never really knowing if they were ever going to make the grade due to a lack of opportunity. Players like Mcgrath, Gilmour and others suffered due to the lack of development and culture at Richmond. Look at Polo as the perfect example.

We have too many selfish players on our list, and it doesn't help when we trade for more.

 

[tigerjoe]

Understand where you are coming from Phantom as there is no doubt we have some of the best young kids this club has seen in a long time. My concern and frustration is that along the years we have always had plenty of exciting young talents that have played some fantastic football in their first 1-2 games but seem to drop off after that. My belief is that there is a major culture problem down at Tigerland, and no matter how good the young guys are when they get there, they will never reach their heights. I honestly believed when Wallace was appointed that we would regain that hunger and passion that was legend of this great club. Seems after 4 years, he is going down the same path as Frawley. Until we rid ourselves of players i have mentioned in my first post, then we are in BIG trouble.

My title might seems a little harsh, but if we continue with the same coaching panel, and mediocre senior players, they will instill their same selfish, soft and useless mentality into the next crop of youngsters ala Deledio, Tambling etc. These guys are our next senior core, so once they are affected, they will pass it on to the next generation. That is the cycle that has been the RFC since 1983!!! Someone has to come in and break it up. I'm also not that positive about certain players playing their last year of football at RFC, as i'm sure we just resigned Tuck this year for another 2 years!!!

Cotchin in todays paper noted that is has taken him 3-4 games just to get used to the pace and fitness of playing senior football. How then do we expect our youngsters to develop into senior players when we give them 2 games and then drop them to the twos?? What is worse then that is certain youngsters are left in the twos for years and become accustomed to its standard. That then means they are good VFL players but will never make it to the AFL!!! Hence we hang on to these players for 5-6 years never really knowing if they were ever going to make the grade due to a lack of opportunity. Players like Mcgrath, Gilmour and others suffered due to the lack of development and culture at Richmond. Look at Polo as the perfect example.

We have too many selfish players on our list, and it doesn't help when we trade for more.

Stop it FUD you are making too much sense.

The idiots that are in charge of our players are either blind or stupid if they can't see what you are saying.

Yep we are in big trouble if this cycle is not broken now.

 

[pahoffm]

Yep. I agree.

I believe there is still a cultural problem.
I know that Dr Jeff Bond was a very good acquisition. But on the other hand, I was very disappointed that when he arrived at our club he chose to miss the opportunity of conducting a psychometric assessment of the culture of the club. A $500 ODQ from any of the leading professional tools would have sufficed. But because of his choice, he guessed the culture of the club without undertaking a properly validated assessment with comparative norms.
Disappointing, but Bond is "old-school" and has educationally missed most of the leadership development research that has occured since 1995.

I must reveal that I am the Operations Manager for one of the leading psychometric companies. But it's only because I know what these can identify and can influence in so many big and little companies that I realise how much the Tiges would benefit.
I also know the other clubs that have undertaken them too - Geelong, Footscray, even the AIS post-Dr Bond. It's amazing how these tests sort out what is good and what is bad in organisations.

Yep, the cycle needs to be broken. Fresh & truly transformational minds need to brought in to break a seemingly repetitive cycle.

 

[Skills]

I might also suggest that the test of a decent match committee is how well it can facilitate effective transformation.
I would suggest their efforts recently have been more transactional than transformational.

Well stated Phantom.