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The Richmond 2017 AFL Grand Final thread

kiwitiger

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all 3 were special ,

But 17 will always be the most special ,

its been a while but reading this thread has put me in the mood to watch that GF again :)
 
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frickenel

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I often think back on my mindset through out the whole 2017 season, and even prior.

We'd had the dissapointment of the 2016 season and to be honest i was down in the mouth on Dimma as it seemed that every Elimination final loss had caused him to go more and more down the line of ball protection to the point where we had a putrid game plan. We triedto open our game plan up in 2015 and found ourselves near the bottom half way through the year as we were getting cut apart on the rebound. We reverted back to that putrid style and won a string of games to make finals and then get smashed out again.

We recruited well in the pre-season, but i wasn't happy about us giving up a first round pick for Dion Prestia. I can remember an interview with Jack Reiwoldt on SEN where he spoke about the new vibe on the training track and how much he was enjoying basically being another coach to the kids we were trying as forwards. He spoke glowingly of Caddy, Prestia and Nankervis and you start feeling a fraction bullish, then the interviewer asked about our ability to cover the loss of Tyrone Vickery, and Jack mentions Ben Griffiths. I then started pondering Griffiths ability to stay on the park, and what we had in reserve if he couldnt. The answer to that was virtually zero. Jack then started talking about the other forwards. Rioli (barely 10 games) Castagnia (barely 10 games), Butler (zero games) and i thought to myself 'we're truly f*%ked.

Pre season rolls in, and we seem to have a real appetite for the competition. REal stuff starts and other than a few hiccups, we are actually really good to watch. We're hungry, we tackle in packs and we are reasonably aggressive with the ball - but not super aggressive.

We have the let downs of the 3 close losses, and then we start rolling again, the disaster in the StKilda game where you're left thinking it's so bad that it shouldn't even count.

The thing is though, that in the last 8 or 9 rounds, the pressure was still hot, but the aggression with the ball movement had gone up a notch or two, and i think this is something that the wider footy community had missed, hence the fact we were being under-rated. I remember saying to one of my brothers around round 15 "you konw. we're in this right up to our eyelballs"!

For Dimma to re-invent himself over one pre-season, and you can't under estimate what a rebuild of our system it was. It was like comparing chalk and cheese. To this day, it staggers me that he isn't talked about in the same breath as Clarkeson, and that's coming from someone that would have gladly seen the back of him after the 2016 season. I'm very glad it was people like Peggy O'Niell and Benny Gale in charge of the club and not me! Our whole last 5 years could have been so different had they not held their nerve.

Goin into the finals, had you made up a ladder from the past 10 or 11 rounds, i think you'd have found Richmond would have been a few games on top with a thumping percentage, but still the media "experts" weren't rating us.

I know that watching the Preliminary final, i was more worried about the result at 3 qtr time of that game than i was the GF at half time. Although the margin was fairly close in the GF, you could just see we were sucking the life out of the Crows. They just looked impotent and unable to transition from defence to attack.

To this day i still get a tear in my eye remembering the emotion of that day. Last round of 2016 and i remember thinking "I will never experience another GF victory with my mum, who'd just turned 80 at the time. Over the years we could never get her to go to a footy game, until 2004. From that moment she was always first dressed to go out the door, and i'd bought her a 3121 membership every year. To sit next to her with my brother and watch that victory was completely priceless.

She's 84 now, and we can't get her to even contemplate going anymore because of her fear of Covid. I've spoken to the club about her membership, and at this stage i haven't been able to bring myself to drop it. The club are reminding me of the watiing list should i drop it, and have suggeted if she can't come maybe i have another familiy memeber that will take it on. Time will tell.

It's been an amazing ride with this club, and i hope this group have another left in them. I've heard Dimma alking about having to revert back to a long pitch game plan because of the standing the mark rule. To be honest that terrifies me. It also angers me that no teams could break our game plan down, so the AFL sees fit to step in and do that for the opposition.

I sincerely hope we see the lowest scores for the last 50 years posted in 2022, and that the Coleman medalist barely reaches 40 goals. Then Shocking can carry that around as his legacy to the game.
 
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TigerMasochist

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It's been an amazing ride with this club, and i hope this group have another left in them. I've heard Dimma alking about having to revert back to a long pitch game plan because of the standing the mark rule. To be honest that terrifies me. It also angers me that no teams could break our game plan down, so the AFL sees fit to step in and do that for the opposition.
Disgraceful the amount of work the AFL cockroaches put into adjusting the game plan over several years, to shut down all our systems n game plans.
I sincerely hope we see the lowest scores for the last 50 years posted in 2022, and that the Coleman medalist barely reaches 40 goals. Then Shocking can carry that around as his legacy to the game.
Got me a horrible feeling that the game changes are going to make it virtually impossible for teams to get a game back on an even keel once a side gets a run on.
Very evenly matched sides might still provide some decent contests, but it will be more sharp explosive bursts rather than a powerful arm wrestle.
As for games of experienced top of the ladder sides V young developing sides, there might be a contest for a qtr or two n then the tsunami will hit n sides will get run through like a heavy dose of gastro.
Gilligan n his mates will love it because there'll be goal fests n lots n lots of commercials n hype. Fans will hate it because too many games will no longer be a contest.
 
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Jonesracing82

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I often think back on my mindset through out the whole 2017 season, and even prior.

We'd had the dissapointment of the 2016 season and to be honest i was down in the mouth on Dimma as it seemed that every Elimination final loss had caused him to go more and more down the line of ball protection to the point where we had a putrid game plan. We triedto open our game plan up in 2015 and found ourselves near the bottom half way through the year as we were getting cut apart on the rebound. We reverted back to that putrid style and won a string of games to make finals and then get smashed out again.

We recruited well in the pre-season, but i wasn't happy about us giving up a first round pick for Dion Prestia. I can remember an interview with Jack Reiwoldt on SEN where he spoke about the new vibe on the training track and how much he was enjoying basically being another coach to the kids we were trying as forwards. He spoke glowingly of Caddy, Prestia and Nankervis and you start feeling a fraction bullish, then the interviewer asked about our ability to cover the loss of Tyrone Vickery, and Jack mentions Ben Griffiths. I then started pondering Griffiths ability to stay on the park, and what we had in reserve if he couldnt. The answer to that was virtually zero. Jack then started talking about the other forwards. Rioli (barely 10 games) Castagnia (barely 10 games), Butler (zero games) and i thought to myself 'we're truly f*%ked.

Pre season rolls in, and we seem to have a real appetite for the competition. REal stuff starts and other than a few hiccups, we are actually really good to watch. We're hungry, we tackle in packs and we are reasonably aggressive with the ball - but not super aggressive.

We have the let downs of the 3 close losses, and then we start rolling again, the disaster in the StKilda game where you're left thinking it's so bad that it shouldn't even count.

The thing is though, that in the last 8 or 9 rounds, the pressure was still hot, but the aggression with the ball movement had gone up a notch or two, and i think this is something that the wider footy community had missed, hence the fact we were being under-rated. I remember saying to one of my brothers around round 15 "you konw. we're in this right up to our eyelballs"!

For Dimma to re-invent himself over one pre-season, and you can't under estimate what a rebuild of our system it was. It was like comparing chalk and cheese. To this day, it staggers me that he isn't talked about in the same breath as Clarkeson, and that's coming from someone that would have gladly seen the back of him after the 2016 season. I'm very glad it was people like Peggy O'Niell and Benny Gale in charge of the club and not me! Our whole last 5 years could have been so different had they not held their nerve.

Goin into the finals, had you made up a ladder from the past 10 or 11 rounds, i think you'd have found Richmond would have been a few games on top with a thumping percentage, but still the media "experts" weren't rating us.

I know that watching the Preliminary final, i was more worried about the result at 3 qtr time of that game than i was the GF at half time. Although the margin was fairly close in the GF, you could just see we were sucking the life out of the Crows. They just looked impotent and unable to transition from defence to attack.

To this day i still get a tear in my eye remembering the emotion of that day. Last round of 2016 and i remember thinking "I will never experience another GF victory with my mum, who'd just turned 80 at the time. Over the years we could never get her to go to a footy game, until 2004. From that moment she was always first dressed to go out the door, and i'd bought her a 3121 membership every year. To sit next to her with my brother and watch that victory was completely priceless.

She's 84 now, and we can't get her to even contemplate going anymore because of her fear of Covid. I've spoken to the club about her membership, and at this stage i haven't been able to bring myself to drop it. The club are reminding me of the watiing list should i drop it, and have suggeted if she can't come maybe i have another familiy memeber that will take it on. Time will tell.

It's been an amazing ride with this club, and i hope this group have another left in them. I've heard Dimma alking about having to revert back to a long pitch game plan because of the standing the mark rule. To be honest that terrifies me. It also angers me that no teams could break our game plan down, so the AFL sees fit to step in and do that for the opposition.

I sincerely hope we see the lowest scores for the last 50 years posted in 2022, and that the Coleman medalist barely reaches 40 goals. Then Shocking can carry that around as his legacy to the game.
SHocking already has a retched legacy, stats show his rule changes have done more harm than good re: scoring & the game itself.
Here's the proof, the season '21 table is far from complete but u can guess which way it went...
As for '17, i can't split the flags but '17 is the most special as u say because of what had gone before it. We didn't truly beleive till after we'd smashed the Cats in the QF, it wasn't that we won, it was how we did it, that game really should have been over at half time had we been able to convert on the scoreboard early in the game. Half time in the GF we knew the game was in our favour, looking at the Finals both sides had played, they'd blown sides away early & held them at bay, ours were close at half time & we ran over the top of them, for them to win it they'd have had to go 4 1/4 for the 1st time since H&A season whereas we just had to repeat what we'd done in the Finals to that point. U can hear the roar from Houli's goal, at that stage they'd thrown everything at us & we'd just hit the front, u can tell by the roar that although we didn't know it yet, we just knew.
 
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Willo

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Hey sHocking - gagf
Cracking Up Lol GIF by HULU
 
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TigerMasochist

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I somehow stumbled upon this article, a good read.

Yep, def a good read.
Was 26 n spoon fed premiership glory before that miserable game against Carlscum. Daughter was born a cuppla years after n was promptly poached away from the clutches of the Carlscum missus.
Got plenty of frowns, disappointment n suggestions of " parental child abuse " over making her a Tigers fan / member n taking her along to games until 2017.
All past sins are obviously forgiven in recent years n she's been more than happy to sing Tigerland to her mum every time we whip their arses.
 
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tigerman

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Yep, def a good read.
Was 26 n spoon fed premiership glory before that miserable game against Carlscum. Daughter was born a cuppla years after n was promptly poached away from the clutches of the Carlscum missus.
Got plenty of frowns, disappointment n suggestions of " parental child abuse " over making her a Tigers fan / member n taking her along to games until 2017.
All past sins are obviously forgiven in recent years n she's been more than happy to sing Tigerland to her mum every time we whip their arses.
Have noticed TG logged on quite often. A great thing you did brainwashing her at an early age, but of course it was your duty to do that:)
 
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TigerMasochist

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Have noticed TG logged on quite often. A great thing you did brainwashing her at an early age, but of course it was your duty to do that:)
Bad enough I married a Carlscum supporter, no way known she was gunna get the grubby mitts on the kid :)) .
 
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DavidSSS

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Many hard years for all of us having to explain to our children that they have to persist with their birthright and support Richmond. My daughter was 22 when we won in 2017 and endured so many years of disappointment. Maybe she values the success more as I remember Richmond as powerful premiership predators when I was a kid.

As for my partner, not much interested in footy and a South Melbourne supporter (her father knew Bob Skilton Senior), so, little competition there as supporting Sydney really is not an option.

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T-Shirt Tommy

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Bad enough I married a Carlscum supporter, no way known she was gunna get the grubby mitts on the kid :)) .
My partner is a Collingscum supporter, and her whole enormously large Catholic family are too. My side of the family are Tiges, but much less in number.

When she gave birth to our first child, we discussed who the child would support. I told her 'if our child is a Pies supporter, then you can take them to the footy because I'll be *smile* stuffed if I'm going to Collingwood games 10 times a year.'
Needless to say, I won not only with our first born but also our second as well :cupgold.
 
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TigerMasochist

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My partner is a Collingscum supporter, and her whole enormously large Catholic family are too. My side of the family are Tiges, but much less in number.

When she gave birth to our first child, we discussed who the child would support. I told her 'if our child is a Pies supporter, then you can take them to the footy because I'll be *smile* stuffed if I'm going to Collingwood games 10 times a year.'
Needless to say, I won not only with our first born but also our second as well :cupgold.
Got plenty of outlaws that are Colonwood supporters n luv em to bits. They are just so much fun to hang shite on year after year after year. Well done for standing your ground n threatening the missus with her having to take the kids to Colonwood games.
 
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shawry

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Bad enough I married a Carlscum supporter, no way known she was gunna get the grubby mitts on the kid :)) .
I am the same mate. Married a Carlton fan, initial years were horrible but made up for it since. Both my kids signed up Richmond members too.

how is your daughter TigersGoddess anyway who used to post here?
 
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AngryAnt

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Yep, def a good read.
Was 26 n spoon fed premiership glory before that miserable game against Carlscum. Daughter was born a cuppla years after n was promptly poached away from the clutches of the Carlscum missus.
Got plenty of frowns, disappointment n suggestions of " parental child abuse " over making her a Tigers fan / member n taking her along to games until 2017.
All past sins are obviously forgiven in recent years n she's been more than happy to sing Tigerland to her mum every time we whip their arses.
you've done well TM, my daughter bailed on us after the terrible droughts and drubbings of the noughties... mind you she's just not into much sport these days, one of these wanky creative types. At least she's not an "influencer" though.
 

TigerMasochist

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I am the same mate. Married a Carlton fan, initial years were horrible but made up for it since. Both my kids signed up Richmond members too.

how is your daughter TigersGoddess anyway who used to post here?
She's well, thanks. Hanging out for some live footy hopefully this year ( someone's got to try n keep the old fart in line ). Pretty sure she still has a looksee in here every now and again, just doesn't bother posting as I probably do more than enough for both of us.
 
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Mopsy

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tigerman

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Worth a read, for those that haven't read it.

How and why did it happen? Two words, really. Dustin Martin. The best player in the competition – that assertion is now incontestable – changed the mood and the momentum with a crucial goal just before half-time, at which point he was already looking like the Norm Smith medallist regardless of whether he finished on the winning side or not.

Thereafter, he was the inspiration and the executioner, and in the end there was simply no other candidate for the medal, the five judges unanimously agreeing.

If Carlton Hall-of-Famer Wayne Johnston had claims as the best finals player of the past 50 years, ditto the legendary Leigh Matthews and perhaps Hawk Luke Hodge, Martin has gone past. His body of work in three Grand Finals has become it’s own legend – and who is to say it is complete yet? He is not yet 30.


 
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