Not forgetting Brisbane, who don't have a 2nd ruck so aren't a contender
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The big risk with an antiruck is getting walked over.
At a centre clearance it can be hurtful.
But most scary is the deep defensive ball up or throw in, where a Dixon or Hawkins outmuscles Pickett.
So we have a simple rule that Tarrant or Balta ruck in the backline. And Pickett around the ground
Gotta be two rucks
Have folks forgotten about 666 and the momentum teams can generate through quick goals?
Melbourne alone would kill us with short bursts when Nank is off.
Our preferred +1 defence is NOT set up at centre bounces.
We play two rucks so we can hold our ground over four quarters and set up for turnover.
Unless Ryan is ready, Soldo had to play.
Have folks forgotten about 666 and the momentum teams can generate through quick goals?
Melbourne alone would kill us with short bursts when Nank is off.
Our preferred +1 defence is NOT set up at centre bounces.
We play two rucks so we can hold our ground over four quarters and set up for turnover.
Unless Ryan is ready, Soldo had to play.
The problem we have is neither of our rucks are capable enough as forwards to work as a legitimate second option.
Nankervis is a 3/10 forward but Soldo is a -3/10 forward. To be brutally honest Soldo plays forward like a concussed Ty Vickery, always running and jumping at imaginary footballs.
Without a ruck/forward other teams need to pay attention to, they will continue to zone off and dominate the air.
Nankervis is a 3/10 forward but Soldo is a -3/10 forward. To be brutally honest Soldo plays forward like a concussed Ty Vickery, always running and jumping at imaginary footballs.
Without a ruck/forward other teams need to pay attention to, they will continue to zone off and dominate the air.
Yep, Soldo takes the occasional mark up forward then kicks straight, and many think "ooh he could be the answer", the other 98% of the time he is in the F50 his opponent is doing as he pleases.
Playing 2 rucks served us well in 2019/2020, but at the moment the other 20 players arent capable of doing the additional running required to cover them.
I'd love to have LTRTR here to ask how often Soldo has marked inside 50 with either Riewoldt or Lynch not playing.
I don’t it’s either one or the other with 2 rucks.
Right now, for teams like Melb and Freo we need the two rucks to compete in the middle for a whole game - mad not to.
For some other teams, like the blues with their injuries, maybe one ruck will be enough in a few weeks time and having more speed around the ball would work better.
Right now, for teams like Melb and Freo we need the two rucks to compete in the middle for a whole game - mad not to.
For some other teams, like the blues with their injuries, maybe one ruck will be enough in a few weeks time and having more speed around the ball would work better.
The evidence doesn't back it up that playing two rucks helps us run out games Carts.
Soldo has missed three games - In those we ran over the top of the Dogs, Beat Adelaide in the second half, whilst Melbourne ground us down without us being blown out (you could argue on class alone)
The big and costly second half wipeouts after leading - Carlton, St Kilda, Sydney then even letting Hawthorn and Essendon back in - All occured with Soldo as second ruck. Co-incidence much?
Leysy does agree a decent second ruck against Melbourne would be ideal and should be considered. But is the bigger risk to us the Dees power running through the middle. Not keeping our guys through the middle as fresh as possible to match that could be equally as risky.
That match-up (along with St Kilda) is certainly up for discussion, but no other teams are running two genuine rucks for us to worry about.
And those two clubs only get by with two rucks because all of them are equally as good forward. The anti-Soldo. Our guys don't have that capability.
We don't have the luxury of playing a guy averaging 60 odd minutes TOG, 7.1 possessions and 2.2 marks a game, when we are getting run over needs to change.
All evidence says getting say Dow in as another runner to make a real difference keeping our midfield/runners fresh all match should be explored.
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We need a ready made tall forward at the Mid Season Draft.
Lynch and Riewoldt are the only options that we have as tall forwards. Balta is best at full-back, which leaves no room for Tarrant in the best team. Soldo and Nank have to both ruck in most games but we can get by with only one of them every now and again. What we are missing is a player who can replace either Riewoldt or Lynch when they are missing. We might be able to make do with Balta as the tall forward but Tarrant does not play like a Richmond tall defender. He does not intercept often enough and he does not position himself to cover two men when needed in the same way that Grimes, Broad and Vlastuin do.
That player might not play a senior game this year but he is needed if we are to cope with injuries to our big men.
I would be looking for a 22-25 year old who is playing well in one of the three State Leagues and would be capable of stepping up if needed. Without this replacement player, if we lose either of our key forwards for an extended period, we will be lucky to make finals.
Lynch and Riewoldt are the only options that we have as tall forwards. Balta is best at full-back, which leaves no room for Tarrant in the best team. Soldo and Nank have to both ruck in most games but we can get by with only one of them every now and again. What we are missing is a player who can replace either Riewoldt or Lynch when they are missing. We might be able to make do with Balta as the tall forward but Tarrant does not play like a Richmond tall defender. He does not intercept often enough and he does not position himself to cover two men when needed in the same way that Grimes, Broad and Vlastuin do.
That player might not play a senior game this year but he is needed if we are to cope with injuries to our big men.
I would be looking for a 22-25 year old who is playing well in one of the three State Leagues and would be capable of stepping up if needed. Without this replacement player, if we lose either of our key forwards for an extended period, we will be lucky to make finals.
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seems pretty straightforward to me
make the call on edwards and replace him with younger quicker player
go from 8 talls down to 7 to allow another young runner/mid
play Balta as genuine 2nd ruck
lynch
jack
nank
balta
grimes plus 2 of broad,tarrant,gibcus in any given week depnding on opposition
bring dow in to replace edwards as another mid to help out cotch , prestia
stack or clarke or someone else as another small forward
backline could be for instance
Grimes
Gibcus
Tarrant
Vlaus
HRS
baker
rioli
3 talls , 2 mediums , 2 smalls
not sure why dimma has suddenly decided to make us a taller side this year , especially with an old side
make the call on edwards and replace him with younger quicker player
go from 8 talls down to 7 to allow another young runner/mid
play Balta as genuine 2nd ruck
lynch
jack
nank
balta
grimes plus 2 of broad,tarrant,gibcus in any given week depnding on opposition
bring dow in to replace edwards as another mid to help out cotch , prestia
stack or clarke or someone else as another small forward
backline could be for instance
Grimes
Gibcus
Tarrant
Vlaus
HRS
baker
rioli
3 talls , 2 mediums , 2 smalls
not sure why dimma has suddenly decided to make us a taller side this year , especially with an old side
TOT means best "tall forward" not best "forward who is tall".You know who the best tall forward in State football is TOT?
Its seems we are in furious agreement here.
1. We can't afford to carry Soldo in the form he is currently in.
2. We don't want a makeshift 2nd ruck (eg: Pickett)
3. The extra run created by replacing Soldo with a mid like Dow has multiple benefits.
4. Balta is the best 2nd ruck option (giving us the flexibility we need).
It seems to me the big question is what to do with Balta when he is not rucking. Perhaps we need to work towards him doing 40% ruck, 20 Wing Fwd or even RR, 20% Fwd and 20% Bench. Nank 60% Ruck, 20% Fwd, 20% bench. The bottom line is that we can do without him in the backline in Tarrant (1st option) can hold down that position. We have plenty of height with Tarrant, Gibcus, Grimes, Broad and Vlaustin (maybe too much). Although all bar Tarrant can play equally well on smaller opponents. If we can minimise the calamaties (3) - The Gibcus to Rioli miskick and stuff up, the Tarrant missed punch (when he should have marked) and the Heywood goal and the Frees (5) Reid (ridiculous free, no idea who it was against), Heeney (free against Grimes), Ladhams (free against Nank), Buddy (free against Gibcus), Warner? (50 against Bolton). 50% of their goals were avoidable but if we can cut out the bad ones (Grimes, Bolton, Nank) and 1 or 2 of the calamaties, they score only 10 or 11 goals and we will cover that against anyone!
Some good points made about our centre clearance quartet - agree completely regards Edwards and Cotchin not being in there together. I like Short rotating through more and Dusty will do more and more in there.
1. We can't afford to carry Soldo in the form he is currently in.
2. We don't want a makeshift 2nd ruck (eg: Pickett)
3. The extra run created by replacing Soldo with a mid like Dow has multiple benefits.
4. Balta is the best 2nd ruck option (giving us the flexibility we need).
It seems to me the big question is what to do with Balta when he is not rucking. Perhaps we need to work towards him doing 40% ruck, 20 Wing Fwd or even RR, 20% Fwd and 20% Bench. Nank 60% Ruck, 20% Fwd, 20% bench. The bottom line is that we can do without him in the backline in Tarrant (1st option) can hold down that position. We have plenty of height with Tarrant, Gibcus, Grimes, Broad and Vlaustin (maybe too much). Although all bar Tarrant can play equally well on smaller opponents. If we can minimise the calamaties (3) - The Gibcus to Rioli miskick and stuff up, the Tarrant missed punch (when he should have marked) and the Heywood goal and the Frees (5) Reid (ridiculous free, no idea who it was against), Heeney (free against Grimes), Ladhams (free against Nank), Buddy (free against Gibcus), Warner? (50 against Bolton). 50% of their goals were avoidable but if we can cut out the bad ones (Grimes, Bolton, Nank) and 1 or 2 of the calamaties, they score only 10 or 11 goals and we will cover that against anyone!
Some good points made about our centre clearance quartet - agree completely regards Edwards and Cotchin not being in there together. I like Short rotating through more and Dusty will do more and more in there.
I agree - however his leap is so huge he would avoid knee contact. i am saying more a grigg type role not for long just a chop out.
not a lot of ruck time that would be too much. for sure
Here is the run home for us and 4 others.
Had we beaten the swans I reckon the top 4 would definitely be in our sights, now it's 50/50 based on our run home compared to 4 others. I haven't added in the cats, their home ground advantage will see them play finals not necessarily they make the top 4.
I didn't add in the saints in the below fixture which only involves, Tigers, Blues, Swans and Dogs. But after going over their fixture, they have a tough run home. Could well drop out or lower end of the top 8. Saints play 8 top 8 sides and 3 outside.
So on the run home. Richmond plays 4 teams inside the top 8 and 7 outside. Off the 4 teams inside the top 8, we play them all in Melbourne.
3 at the G and 1 at marvel V freo
SAINTS RUN HOME - play 8 top 8 sides and 3 outside.
Round 13
Sat 11 Jun 7:25pm Brisbane v St Kilda - Gabba
Round 14
Fri 17 Jun 7:50pm St Kilda v Essendon - Marvel Stadium
Round 15
Sat 25 Jun 7:25pm Sydney v St Kilda - SCG
Round 16
Fri 1 Jul 7:50pm Carlton v St Kilda - Marvel Stadium
Round 17
Sat 9 Jul 7:25pm St Kilda v Fremantle - Marvel Stadium
Round 18
Fri 15 Jul 7:50pm Western Bulldogs v St Kilda - Marvel Stadium
Round 19
Sun 24 Jul 2:40pm West Coast v St Kilda - Optus Stadium
Round 20
Fri 29 Jul 12:00pm St Kilda v Hawthorn - Marvel Stadium
Round 21
Fri 5 Aug 12:00pm Geelong v St Kilda - GMHBA Stadium
Round 22
Fri 12 Aug 12:00pm St Kilda v Brisbane - Marvel Stadium
Round 23
Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm St Kilda v Sydney - Marvel Stadium
RUN HOME FOR TIGES, BLUES, SWANS AND DOGS
Richmond plays 4 teams inside the top 8 and 7 outside the top 8 (11th and below).
Carlton plays 6 teams inside the top 8 and 5 outside the top 8
Sydney plays 6 teams inside the top 8 and 5 outside the top 8
Bulldogs play 7 teams inside the top 8 and 4 outside the top 8
Had we beaten the swans I reckon the top 4 would definitely be in our sights, now it's 50/50 based on our run home compared to 4 others. I haven't added in the cats, their home ground advantage will see them play finals not necessarily they make the top 4.
I didn't add in the saints in the below fixture which only involves, Tigers, Blues, Swans and Dogs. But after going over their fixture, they have a tough run home. Could well drop out or lower end of the top 8. Saints play 8 top 8 sides and 3 outside.
So on the run home. Richmond plays 4 teams inside the top 8 and 7 outside. Off the 4 teams inside the top 8, we play them all in Melbourne.
3 at the G and 1 at marvel V freo
SAINTS RUN HOME - play 8 top 8 sides and 3 outside.
Round 13
Sat 11 Jun 7:25pm Brisbane v St Kilda - Gabba
Round 14
Fri 17 Jun 7:50pm St Kilda v Essendon - Marvel Stadium
Round 15
Sat 25 Jun 7:25pm Sydney v St Kilda - SCG
Round 16
Fri 1 Jul 7:50pm Carlton v St Kilda - Marvel Stadium
Round 17
Sat 9 Jul 7:25pm St Kilda v Fremantle - Marvel Stadium
Round 18
Fri 15 Jul 7:50pm Western Bulldogs v St Kilda - Marvel Stadium
Round 19
Sun 24 Jul 2:40pm West Coast v St Kilda - Optus Stadium
Round 20
Fri 29 Jul 12:00pm St Kilda v Hawthorn - Marvel Stadium
Round 21
Fri 5 Aug 12:00pm Geelong v St Kilda - GMHBA Stadium
Round 22
Fri 12 Aug 12:00pm St Kilda v Brisbane - Marvel Stadium
Round 23
Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm St Kilda v Sydney - Marvel Stadium
RUN HOME FOR TIGES, BLUES, SWANS AND DOGS
Richmond plays 4 teams inside the top 8 and 7 outside the top 8 (11th and below).
Carlton plays 6 teams inside the top 8 and 5 outside the top 8
Sydney plays 6 teams inside the top 8 and 5 outside the top 8
Bulldogs play 7 teams inside the top 8 and 4 outside the top 8
Round 12 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 3 Jun 7:50pm | Western Bulldogs v Geelong | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 4 Jun 7:25pm | Melbourne v Sydney | MCG | |
| Carlton | BYE | ||
| Essendon | BYE | ||
| Port Adelaide | BYE | ||
| Richmond | BYE | ||
| St Kilda | BYE | ||
| GWS | BYE | ||
Round 13 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Thu 9 Jun 7:20pm | Richmond v Port Adelaide | MCG | |
| Fri 10 Jun 7:50pm | Essendon v Carlton | MCG | |
| Western Bulldogs | BYE | ||
| Geelong | BYE | ||
| Sydney | BYE | ||
| West Coast | BYE | ||
| Gold Coast | BYE | ||
Round 14 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Thu 16 Jun 7:20pm | Richmond v Carlton | MCG | |
| Fri 17 Jun 7:50pm | St Kilda v Essendon | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 18 Jun 1:15pm | Port Adelaide v Sydney | Adelaide Oval | |
| Sat 18 Jun 2:35pm | West Coast v Geelong | Optus Stadium | |
| Sat 18 Jun 7:25pm | GWS v Western Bulldogs | GIANTS Stadium | |
Round 15 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Thu 23 Jun 7:20pm | Melbourne v Brisbane | MCG | |
| Fri 24 Jun 7:00pm | Western Bulldogs v Hawthorn | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 25 Jun 1:45pm | Carlton v Fremantle | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 25 Jun 4:35pm | Geelong v Richmond | MCG | |
| Sat 25 Jun 7:25pm | Sydney v St Kilda | SCG | |
Round 16 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Thu 30 Jun 7:20pm | Brisbane v Western Bulldogs | Gabba | |
| Fri 1 Jul 7:50pm | Carlton v St Kilda | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 2 Jul 1:45pm | Essendon v Sydney | MCG | |
| Sun 3 Jul 2:10pm | Richmond v West Coast | MCG | |
Round 17 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 8 Jul 7:50pm | Sydney v Western Bulldogs | SCG | |
| Sat 9 Jul 4:35pm | Gold Coast v Richmond | Metricon Stadium | |
| Sun 10 Jul 2:40pm | West Coast v Carlton | Optus Stadium | |
Round 18 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 15 Jul 7:50pm | Western Bulldogs v St Kilda | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 16 Jul 4:35pm | North Melbourne v Richmond | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 16 Jul 5:30pm | Fremantle v Sydney | Optus Stadium | |
| Sat 16 Jul 7:25pm | Carlton v Geelong | MCG | |
Round 19 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 22 Jul 7:50pm | Richmond v Fremantle | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sat 23 Jul 1:45pm | Sydney v Adelaide | SCG | |
| Sat 23 Jul 7:25pm | Western Bulldogs v Melbourne | Marvel Stadium | |
| Sun 24 Jul 1:10pm | Carlton v GWS | Marvel Stadium | |
Round 20 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 29 Jul 12:00pm | Geelong v Western Bulldogs | GMHBA Stadium | |
| Fri 29 Jul 12:00pm | Richmond v Brisbane | MCG | |
| Fri 29 Jul 12:00pm | Sydney v GWS | SCG | |
| Fri 29 Jul 12:00pm | Adelaide v Carlton | Adelaide Oval | |
Round 21 | |||
Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 5 Aug 12:00pm | Brisbane v Carlton | Gabba | |
| Fri 5 Aug 12:00pm | North Melbourne v Sydney | Marvel Stadium | |
| Fri 5 Aug 12:00pm | Western Bulldogs v Fremantle | Marvel Stadium | |
| Fri 5 Aug 12:00pm | Port Adelaide v Richmond | Adelaide Oval | |
Round 22 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 12 Aug 12:00pm | Melbourne v Carlton | MCG | |
| Fri 12 Aug 12:00pm | Richmond v Hawthorn | MCG | |
| Fri 12 Aug 12:00pm | Sydney v Collingwood | SCG | |
| Fri 12 Aug 12:00pm | Western Bulldogs v GWS | Marvel Stadium | |
Round 23 | |||
| Date | Home v Away Teams | Venue | |
| Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm | Essendon v Richmond | MCG | |
| Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm | Geelong v West Coast | GMHBA Stadium | |
| Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm | Hawthorn v Western Bulldogs | UTAS Stadium | |
| Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm | St Kilda v Sydney | Marvel Stadium |
| Fri 19 Aug 12:00pm | Carlton v Collingwood | MCG |
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